[Bug 10495] Wine should support PulseAudio

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http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10495

--- Comment #278 from Ben Shadwick <benshadwick at gmail.com> 2010-12-08 09:44:45 CST ---
(In reply to comment #277)
> (In reply to comment #274)
> > since pulseaudio cannot be removed in ubuntu 10.10 anymore, winealsa is using
> > pulse device instead of dmix/dsnoop.
> 
> In that case, Wine cannot officially provide support for Ubuntu users,
> especially in light of the apparent removal of dsound support from winepulse.

Ubuntu and Fedora are the two most widely-used Linux distros, and this is the
4th-highest voted bug in the Wine tracker. Way to put your head in the sand!

> > So take it simple: they don't like pulse, they don't use pulse, they have no
> > intentions to support pulse in Wine. They simply refuse to do it, and that's
> > it. 
> 
> I don't like jack, or esd, or arts, or OSS (at least, not prior to OSS4), and I
> do not use any of them except for ALSA emulation of OSS. Would I refuse to
> write an application that did not support any of those at all? Possibly, in the
> cases of esd and arts, but, definitely not in the case of OSS and maybe jack,
> depending on the application's purpose. In fact, if it was simple enough, I'd
> implement a pulse module myself. The fact of the matter is it's not simple or
> it would have been done years ago.

I don't care what you like or don't like, I care that Wine does not work
properly unless I hobble my OS install or hack Wine - despite the fact that I'm
using the latest official release of the most popular Linux distro.

> > The only way one may take to get proper support of pulse in wine is to do it
> > himself out of the official wine tree.
> 
> This is not "proper support". Bug reports when out-of-tree patches are in play
> are by definition INVALID, as are AppDB reports.

I'm not sure what you're on about there. He was complaining that it's the only
avenue open for getting a version of Wine with a true pulse back-end.

> > It would be more productive to spend the
> > energy on maintenance of the winepulse patch instead of writing here trying to
> > persuade wine devs that their software should run on the linux desktops well.
> 
> Wine runs fine on desktops. It's not Gnome or KDE or whatever's fault that
> distros have been shipping with a system that is incompatible with Wine.

You're right; it's Wine's fault for deciding not to give first-class sound
support to the majority of end users, whether by working more closely with the
pulseaudio team, or by taking winepulse under their wing, or by making the new
OpenAL back-end a higher or more visible priority.

I'm telling you point-blank that stock Wine does not work properly on stock
Ubuntu, and that's a problem no matter how you spin it. I'm sorry if you can't
see that, but many other users care about it even if you don't.

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