Is there a process for reviewing a bugzilla staffer?
kuba at mareimbrium.org
Thu Aug 2 12:39:54 CDT 2007
On Thursday 02 August 2007, Chris Morgan wrote:
> > Rewriting:
> > We can conclude that VM was distracted first by the mention of the
> > ies4lin and second by attempts to attribute the problem to ies4lin, and
> > that, because of these distractions, he was unable to assess properly the
> > issue at hand. One also concludes that VM over-relied on the features of
> > the development process automation (bugzilla) and this this was also
> > causel to tine incident since data available from bugzilla effectively
> > masked the real problem.
> I also wanted to mention that ies4lin SHOULD be a distraction. If
> users want to use unsupported tools to modify their configuration do
> we really want to be debugging those modifications as well as wine
IMHO, you succumb just the same to completely ignoring the real problem at
hand. Mind you, flt 006 flight crew was not one person only, yet they were
all equally confused (or so it seemed, at least PF and FE were).
Nowhere did the bug reporter indicate that he used ies4lin on the failing
"Coincidentally, ies4lin, which runs fine
on prior versions of Wine, doesn't accept URL line input in 0.9.42."
The user just mentioned this as a coincidence. He then explicitly states:
"InfoSelect is broken on a fresh installation before ies4lin is installed to
Then, VM rambles once more and finally says that he's sorry for missing an
I admit there's a chance that previous installs were not done correctly by WB,
just like the #4 engine *did* get hung in flt 006. The deal is that in both
cases, the engineer who should have worked the problem did something to
exacerbate the issue. VM didn't, IMHO, follow the best approach to get WB to
check if he reports the results from a correct install (this is not really
documented AFAICS). In 006, the FE didn't follow the correct procedure to
un-hang the engine (close bleed air valve).
So, now the bug is on the right track. If what Mikolaj Zalewski suggests to
check turns out to be the culprit, this will be, in the end, an easy one.
Just like flt 006 was an easy one once the pilots went below the clouds and
saw what the airplane was really doing. Either way, most of VMs doing was
consistent with being generally confused and not letting the bug-reported
reality sink in. Again, this is not an indication of incompetence -- well
trained people (IIRC human factors) will tend to do it more than untrained
ones, given right combination of external factors (fatigue, etc). Heck, being
in a grumpy mood can make you act like this -- as long as it's transient,
it's something that one can expect to see and can live with :)
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