Hardy Heron -- Pulseaudio interferes with non-gnome audio

[Susan Cragin]

Wine has two bugs filed for this also:
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10495
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10910
I am worried that everyone (WINE, ALSA, Pulse, Ubuntu) is not on the same page. Will try cross-posting bug information. 
Part of the problem seems to be that the most-missed application is Skype, and some are trying to get away with blaming closed-source issues. 
Tom -- I should include the link to your patch, yes, so that other developers have access to it?
Susan
Dan -- What do you think? Good idea?

-----Original Message-----
>From: Tomas Carnecky <tom at dbservice.com>
>Sent: Mar 18, 2008 5:14 PM
>To: Susan Cragin <susancragin at earthlink.net>
>Cc: wine-devel at winehq.org
>Subject: Re: Hardy Heron -- Pulseaudio interferes with non-gnome audio
>
>Susan Cragin wrote:
>> The new default pulseaudio in Hardy screws up every program that isn't gnome, delivering terrible sound. 
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/198453
>
>Applications that use ALSA should work fine with the alsa pulse plugin - 
>  should. Unfortunately the plugin has a few bugs, and the developers 
>(of both pulseaudio and alsa) have been unresponsive in this matter. See
>  - http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/198
>  - https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2601
>
>> Question -- what does WINE do with pulseaudio?
>
>Some suggested to create a native PulseAudio wine driver. That would 
>yield the best results as far as the performance and reliability goes. 
>Unfortunately we'll be stuck with the alsa driver for some time to come, 
>so I tried to do the best to make the alsa pulse plugin to work with 
>wine. I had to patch both the wine alsa driver as well as the alsa pulse 
>plugin and it worked fine for my taste.
>
>I submitted the patch to wine-patches:
>http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2008-February/050561.html
>
>I don't know if the relevant alsa pulse plugin patch is publicly 
>available, I haven't looked at that matter in a long time. Some of the 
>needed patches are probably still in my local repositories. It makes no 
>sense for me to work on this anymore until the developers respond to my 
>questions.
>
>> http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=112021
>
>I heard that the skype developers are very interested in getting skype 
>working with pulseaudio, even helped tisting some patches. I have gotten 
>skype to work with pulseaudio, I think if you apply the second patch 
>attached to alsa bug #2601 skype will work. I haven't looked at the code 
>since because apparently nobody from the alsa team is interested in 
>fixing the bug.
>
>tom