<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Ben Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shacklein@gmail.com">shacklein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
2009/2/28 Dan Kegel <<a href="mailto:dank@kegel.com">dank@kegel.com</a>>:<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d">> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Ben Klein <<a href="mailto:shacklein@gmail.com">shacklein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> 2009/2/26 Dan Kegel <<a href="mailto:dank@kegel.com">dank@kegel.com</a>>:<br>
>>> Our currently released version is 1.0, but the appdb's<br>
>>> browse feature acts as if that version no longer exists.<br>
>>> This will seriously confuse newcomers who are using<br>
>>> the 1.0.1 version (e.g. anybody who installs a fresh<br>
>>> copy of Ubuntu!).<br>
>><br>
>> Someone mentioned on another thread (or possibly on IRC, I don't<br>
>> recall) that 1.0-series is too old to be of concern to us. We don't<br>
>> want test data for 1.0.x; we don't want bug reports for 1.0.x unless<br>
>> they're still apparent in the development version. Development has<br>
>> stopped on 1.0.x.<br>
><br>
> That's a fine attitude from the developer's point of view,<br>
> but that means that Wine *doesn't care* about Ubuntu<br>
> users who expect to be able to use Wine by doing<br>
> "add/remove" in the system menu.<br>
><br>
> And I think we do care.<br>
<br>
</div>No more than any other distro, to be honest.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Another way around this, as Scott Ritchie pointed out, is<br>
> to arrange for what's in Ubuntu to be less stale. However,<br>
> there are only two ways to do that: either do a stable<br>
> release more often (which is difficult, and which Alexandre<br>
> doesn't seem inclined to do), or get Ubuntu to accept an<br>
> unstable snapshot into their stable repository (which I think<br>
> they are not inclined to do).<br>
<br>
</div>Maybe someone should tell them that 1.0.1 is "broken" compared to<br>
latest development release. This isn't untrue - 1.1.15 has better<br>
success with a lot of apps.<br>
<br>
Basically, someone should tell them that Wine's "stable" branch is<br>
just a code freeze, and has nothing to do with crash-resistant<br>
stability.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Yet another way to show that we care about Ubuntu<br>
> users would be to make it drop-dead simple for<br>
> the average user to add the Wine repository and get<br>
> the latest wine. The current download instructions are<br>
> really too complicated. We need instructions that are<br>
> no more complicated than<br>
><br>
> First:<br>
> Click *here* to add WineHQ's repository<br>
><br>
> Then:<br>
> Do Applications / 'Add / Remove', and choose Wine<br>
<br>
</div>The instructions were like this at one point: download this script,<br>
run it, go to Add/Remove. Again, I think it's unproductive to hide<br>
information from the users. At least with the current instructions<br>
they can see *exactly* what's going on, and they don't have to worry<br>
about manual editing or the user-unfriendly command-line ...<br>
<br>
I'd also think the average user might be sceptical of an all-in-one<br>
script that changes the configuration of their system. "Why is this<br>
thing asking for my password? What is it doing? Can I really trust<br>
it?" etc. etc.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Anyone coming from Vista would be used to UAC for program installs... </div></div><br>