<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi there,<div><br></div><div>I want to bring this Issue up in Development Mailinglist. This proplem is about a bug that cant be fixed within wine, and The Bugtracker doesnt help it. I think this Bug is at the moment an Epic Fail of Open Source Development.</div><div>(And needs to be solved so we get a accepted Fix somewhere someday) The Bug is Deadlocked.</div><div><br></div><div>The Problem is in this Bug roughly spoken that in some games the Mouse movement is captured and not the real position. Now X only returns the real position.</div><div>This Bug is a dependance of X (If I got it right). Since this Bug appeared people worked around this Bug by improving dirty hacks (by calculating mouse movement using weird? code), and maintaining them. And when Possible to make them switchable.</div><div><br></div><div>Now <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: italic; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; "><a class="fn email" href="mailto:vitaliy@kievinfo.com" style="color: rgb(255, 102, 102); text-decoration: underline; ">Vitaliy Margolen</a> a</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; ">ctively stopped the maintenance of this workarounds (in the bug called dirty hacks.), by marking the patches obsolete and changing title.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;">The Bug exist since 2009 - 12 - 06. And has a long thread.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;">I understand the move of Margolen here. For that you need to look at the Bug history (clicky: <a href="http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6971">http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6971</a>). And I dont put blame on his move. But for this Bug wine needs another political solution. Just stopping people to write hacks, dirty or not will stop people reaching in more and more patches. This sole incident wont have an effect on hole development but most bugs I followed started with a dirty hack. And this is definitely giving the wrong impression on wine.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; ">What I want to say, Margolens move might be technical right, but is political pretty lame. Atm I don't see any ability that the bug will be proper fixed.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; ">1) I Xorg may implement the Problem or may not. Maybe they are even not aware(? - Haven't took a look) The Bug-tracking in wine does not contain a Link to the Bug-tracking in Xorg.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; ">2) I am betting wine - Dev has no one working on the Bug actively.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;">So how can we get a proper Fix or point people towards proper fixes?</span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; ">Is it right to have no Dirty Hack solution which just works?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; ">Do you think by stopping Hacks you will encourage development in what (you) think is the right solution?</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;">Where is the Xorg Link for this Problem since it is a problem interesting wine but maybe not Xorg?</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; ">Before anyone asks, I don't have the Time to solve this Bug. Nor I do believe does any one of the "dirty" hackers. Or they had done it Proper by now.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; ">Thanks Listening, hope you got the Problem I want to address.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;">I am not on the list since I develop nothing for wine. I would it appreciate it a lot, if I could stay with the discussion by keeping my email address in CC</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;">Regards</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;">Peter</span></font></div></body></html>