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Dominic Coombe
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Wed Nov 3 15:15:51 CST 2004
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Quicken fonts (Duane Clark)
2. Re: Quicken fonts (Mark Knecht)
3. Re: Quicken fonts (Marc Williams)
4. Re: Quicken fonts (Marc Williams)
5. Re: Quicken fonts (Mark Knecht)
6. Re: Quicken fonts (Marc Williams)
7. help (Dominic Coombe)
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Message: 1
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From: Duane Clark <dclark at akamail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:14:43 -0800
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Duane Clark wrote:
> ... here is an attachment from Quicken 2002 Deluxe.
Oops, here it is.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:17:42 -0800
From: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
Reply-To: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
To: Duane Clark <dclark at akamail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Cc: wine-users at winehq.com
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:04:59 -0800, Duane Clark <dclark at akamail.com> wrote:
> Marc Williams wrote:
> >
> > What you're saying surprises me because I got that information right out
> > of the online wine manual in the referenced URL. But even if you're
> > right, it doesn't seem to make a difference either way because things
> > look the same both before and after using those .FON fonts.
> >
>
> The documentation is, unfortunately, frequently out of date. The font
> rendering in particular has changed several times over the years, but
> not the documentation.
>
>
>
> >>The current version of Wine has a few built in replacements for fonts,
> >>and perhaps these are too small (it seems like there have been several
> >>complaints lately). But if external TrueType fonts are found, Wine
> >>should use those.
> >>
> >
> >
> > It seems as if wine (and Quicken) are already using the TT fonts that
> > are being served up by my font server. At least that's the impression I
> > got from the debug output I ran earlier. And the screen fonts all look
> > identical to their real Windows counterparts *except* for those that I
> > circled.
>
> In general, if there are any TTF fonts in your Wine c:/windows/fonts
> directory, then Wine will render those fonts directly (using Freetype)
> rather that use the X font server. That assumes you have reasonably
> recent FreeType rendering. This is actually the best way to go; it tends
> to produce better results.
So does it make sense to do some inventory between a 'working' windows
box (I the user has one) and the Linux environment, and then copy over
any fonts that might be missing?
I uess I Was hoping that some work under WINEDEBUG would tell me (or
Marc in this case) which onts might be getting resized..
>
> That said, I wonder if perhaps this is a more subtle problem. For
> example, here is an attachment from Quicken 2002 Deluxe. It would appear
> to me that "Update" is using the very same font as "Options". And even
> on your screen shot, the same font family appears to be used for
> "Options" and "Update/Send". It appears only the point size is different.
>
> I wonder whether there is a fixed amount of space on the button, and if
> the width of the string is to long with the normal font point sizing,
> than it might chose a smaller point size. I wonder if other buttons,
> with shorter strings, are rendered with a larger font?
Interesting idea...
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:18:27 -0600
From: Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
To: Duane Clark <dclark at akamail.com>
Cc: wine-users at winehq.com
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Duane Clark wrote:
> The documentation is, unfortunately, frequently out of date. The font
> rendering in particular has changed several times over the years, but
> not the documentation.
>
Ok. Too bad, but Ok.
> In general, if there are any TTF fonts in your Wine c:/windows/fonts
> directory, then Wine will render those fonts directly (using Freetype)
> rather that use the X font server. That assumes you have reasonably
> recent FreeType rendering. This is actually the best way to go; it tends
> to produce better results.
I'm pretty sure that Wine is seeing and using all of the fonts that my
font server is throwing at it. But just to be safe, I copied all of my
fonts, including the MS fonts, into c:/windows/fonts. It made no
difference.
>
> That said, I wonder if perhaps this is a more subtle problem. For
> example, here is an attachment from Quicken 2002 Deluxe. It would appear
> to me that "Update" is using the very same font as "Options". And even
> on your screen shot, the same font family appears to be used for
> "Options" and "Update/Send". It appears only the point size is different.
>
> I wonder whether there is a fixed amount of space on the button, and if
> the width of the string is to long with the normal font point sizing,
> than it might chose a smaller point size. I wonder if other buttons,
> with shorter strings, are rendered with a larger font?
>
I'm not sure, but I don't *think* button size is the factor. On that
page I referenced, the leftmost circle is showing buggered fonts that
are not in a button. I also noticed something else. On the "Online"
page there are 4 different tabs - Transactions, Payments, Tansfers,
Email - and every one of the buttons on all of those pages are equally
buggered no matter how small or large the button is. However, after
checking all of the other other pages and tabs in the whole program, I
couldn't find any other instance of non-readable fonts. Just those in
the "Online" section. And within that section there's a bunch of them.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:19:33 -0600
From: Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
To: Duane Clark <dclark at akamail.com>
Cc: wine-users at winehq.com
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Duane Clark wrote:
> Duane Clark wrote:
>
>> ... here is an attachment from Quicken 2002 Deluxe.
>
>
> Oops, here it is.
Indeed, all of my other sections besides "Online" look as good as your
attachment.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:40:22 -0800
From: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
Reply-To: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
To: Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Cc: wine-users at winehq.com
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:19:33 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
wrote:
> Duane Clark wrote:
>
>
> > Duane Clark wrote:
> >
> >> ... here is an attachment from Quicken 2002 Deluxe.
> >
> >
> > Oops, here it is.
>
> Indeed, all of my other sections besides "Online" look as good as your
> attachment.
Just a wild question, but does this problem occur if you start Quicken
without calling up your existing database? Very slim chance, but maybe
the problem is somehow created because of the database itself?
I doubt this will change anything but you might try it.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:55:18 -0600
From: Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
To: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
Cc: wine-users at winehq.com
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:19:33 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
wrote:
>>>Duane Clark wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>... here is an attachment from Quicken 2002 Deluxe.
>>>
>>>
>>>Oops, here it is.
>>
>>Indeed, all of my other sections besides "Online" look as good as your
>>attachment.
>
>
> Just a wild question, but does this problem occur if you start Quicken
> without calling up your existing database? Very slim chance, but maybe
> the problem is somehow created because of the database itself?
Hmmm... Well, ok. I seem to have yet another issue. In setting up a
new .qdf in order to test your hypothisis, I discovered that Quicken is
having trouble load IE.
Before installing Quicken I had installed IE. It took a little doing,
but I got it loaded and running well. I start it by merely running
"wine IEXPLORE.EXE". Seems to work well. But just now, in setting up a
new .qdf, and specifically the "Online" section, Quicken insists on
doing something that takes it out to the web, I guess. At the bottom of
the screen is a notice "Starting Browser..." or some such thing. But it
never starts. I also attempted to Register this copy of Quicken. The
initial registration screen appears but hitting the "Continue" button
make it disappear with no further action. I suspect this is also web
related.
So not only do I have a minor font problem but I now seem to have a
larger IE problem. arrrrrrgh...
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Message: 7
From: "Dominic Coombe" <dominic at coombefamily.com>
To: <wine-users at winehq.org>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:08:05 -0500
Subject: [Wine]help
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Quicken fonts (Mark Knecht)
2. Re: wine config (DrSmith)
3. Re: Quicken fonts (Marc Williams)
4. Re: Quicken fonts (Mark Knecht)
5. Re: Re: wine config (Mark Knecht)
6. Re: Quicken fonts (Duane Clark)
7. Re: Quicken fonts (Marc Williams)
8. Re: Quicken fonts (Marc Williams)
9. Re: Quicken fonts (Mark Knecht)
10. Re: Quicken fonts (Duane Clark)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:08:16 -0800
From: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
Reply-To: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
To: Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Cc: wine-users at winehq.org
Yeah, sorry. That's clearly too much stuff to find what you are
looking for. My idea was that possibly you don't have a specific font
installed that Quicken is looking for so Wine is having to do some
sort of substitution for it. If you're up for it you might try
something more like:
WINEDEBUG=warn+font wine quicken
or
WINEDEBUG=err+font wine quicken
My thought was that you could click that specific button and maybe get
some output in the script file that would tell you what you are
missing.
Maybe you should try this with some of the simple canned Wine apps -
wine notepad, wine winecfg - and see if they have any trouble with
fonts. It would be much easier to find this on a smaller app than
quicken.
I'm an uber-beginner here so please don't take anything I'm saying as
particularly valid or intelligent.
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:39:06 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
> > On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:54:50 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
wrote:
> >
> >>Very small. And for me, virtually unreadable. They certainly look much
> >>better, and bigger, in real Windows. Any suggestions?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > This is all a guess. Take it for what it's worth. I was going to
> > suggest that you run Quicken in the wine debugger trapping fonts
> >
> > script q2001-fonts
> > WINEDEBUG=+font wine quicken
> >
> > run for awhile, then close Quicken.
> >
> > exit script and then take a look at the script file. Possibly you'll
> > find some info about font substitutions that will guide you toward
> > what fonts are missing, etc. and then you can adjust from there.
> >
> > All a guess though. This is the sort of stuff I've been doing. Hasn't
> > produced a lot of good results, but I've seen a few interesting
> > things.
>
> Thanks for the suggestion.
>
> This produces quite the prodigious output. Frankly, I wouldn't have a
> clue where to start looking for an answer in the resulting 53MB file.
> You mentioned substitutions so here is one output (sorry about any poor
> wrapping):
>
<SNIP>
>
> I don't really know enough to know what I'm supposed to be looking for.
> But I'm certainly open to any other suggestions.
>
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Message: 2
From: DrSmith <pazevedo at novolink.com.br>
To: wine-users at winehq.org
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:31:09 -0200
Subject: [Wine]Re: wine config
Hello everybody,
I have followed wine's progress for quite a few time but there is something
that I can't figure out yet. Maybe someone may explain this to me:
Wine does not use a config file anymore, does it? So if I have to tweak
something, where should I put the adjustments? Is it still possible to use
the config file. For instance, if I want to change the font used by a
windows
toolbar, should I change anything in windows registries in .wine folder?
And what if I have to make lots of dll adjustments (native, builtin)?
--
DrSmith
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:18:44 -0600
From: Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
To: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
Cc: wine-users at winehq.org
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Mark Knecht wrote:
> Yeah, sorry. That's clearly too much stuff to find what you are
> looking for. My idea was that possibly you don't have a specific font
> installed that Quicken is looking for so Wine is having to do some
> sort of substitution for it. If you're up for it you might try
> something more like:
>
> WINEDEBUG=warn+font wine quicken
>
> or
>
> WINEDEBUG=err+font wine quicken
Actually, I believe that appropriately grepping my saved 53MB file would
accomplish the same thing, yes? If so, here is the output, which
conveniently combines "warn" and "err" (again, sorry about any poor
wrapping):
[marcw at fred marcw]$ grep -i err q20*
warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.scale" err = 2
warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.cache-1" err = 2
warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.dir" err = 2
warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.scale" err = 2
warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.cache-1" err = 2
warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.dir" err = 2
err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x100ac] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()!
err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x10026] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()!
err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x10024] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()!
err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x10024] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()!
I'm pretty sure that I can safely ignore the first 6 items. But the
last 4 lines have me stumped. I have no idea what I'm looking at or
even if they are related to my original problem.
And thanks again for your responses. You may be an "uber-beginner" but
I'm an uber moron, at least when it comes to Wine.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:30:22 -0800
From: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
Reply-To: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
To: Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Cc: wine-users at winehq.org
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:18:44 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
> > WINEDEBUG=warn+font wine quicken
> >
> > or
> >
> > WINEDEBUG=err+font wine quicken
Well, I think you're right, although that would only get one line
responses. If wine outputs a two line response then you'd miss the
second line.
>
> Actually, I believe that appropriately grepping my saved 53MB file would
> accomplish the same thing, yes? If so, here is the output, which
> conveniently combines "warn" and "err" (again, sorry about any poor
> wrapping):
>
> [marcw at fred marcw]$ grep -i err q20*
> warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
> "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.scale" err = 2
> warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
> "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.cache-1" err = 2
> warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
> "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.dir" err = 2
> warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
> "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.scale" err = 2
> warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
> "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.cache-1" err = 2
> warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
> "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.dir" err = 2
Humm....I would have thought the first 6 might be clues. (What do I
know?!?!) It appears to me that Wine is looking for msfonts-style
stuff and cannot find it. I'd guess that Wine substitues something and
that maybe that substitution is what's causing the problem? This is
where deleting your 53MB file and running again might produce very
little info, but very targeted info. If this problem happens on one
page, then possibly it happens on other, smaller pages. you could move
from page to page and catch it happening and see the messages in the
terminal.
BTW - Have you read the Wine Users manual about setting up font
servers, etc.? This could be part of the problem. I run Quicken under
Crossover Office and I think they did much of this for me. I'm having
some font problems with other programs under Wine and was trying to
understand if this font server stuff was a requirement, a suggestion,
or just info...
Again, I know not of what I speak... ;-)
> err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x100ac] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()!
> err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x10026] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()!
> err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x10024] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()!
> err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x10024] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()!
>
> I'm pretty sure that I can safely ignore the first 6 items. But the
> last 4 lines have me stumped. I have no idea what I'm looking at or
> even if they are related to my original problem.
No clue either.
>
> And thanks again for your responses. You may be an "uber-beginner" but
> I'm an uber moron, at least when it comes to Wine.
>
Blind leading the blind...
- Mark
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:33:06 -0800
From: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
Reply-To: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
To: DrSmith <pazevedo at novolink.com.br>
Subject: Re: [Wine]Re: wine config
Cc: wine-users at winehq.org
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:31:09 -0200, DrSmith <pazevedo at novolink.com.br> wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I have followed wine's progress for quite a few time but there is
something
> that I can't figure out yet. Maybe someone may explain this to me:
>
> Wine does not use a config file anymore, does it? So if I have to tweak
> something, where should I put the adjustments? Is it still possible to use
> the config file. For instance, if I want to change the font used by a
windows
> toolbar, should I change anything in windows registries in .wine folder?
>
> And what if I have to make lots of dll adjustments (native, builtin)?
> --
> DrSmith
Well, Wine doesn't use a config file anymore by default, but still
uses a config file if you put one there. This is what I'm still doing.
I think in the long term, when the little winecfg app works, that
we'll just use it to set up Wine, but at this time I believe you still
need config to make any settings, or you'd have to do them all at the
command line which is not practical at all.
Just my understand. Not guaranteed at all.
- Mark
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Message: 6
To: wine-users at winehq.com
From: Duane Clark <dclark at akamail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:46:05 -0800
Marc Williams wrote:
> I just installed Quicken 2001 using the 0914 version of Wine built from
> source code on my Fedora Core 2 machine. I followed the Quicken install
> instruction #2 on Franks Corner site. The installation went fine and
> everything seems to work well. But some of the fonts are unreadable.
>
> Here is a screen shot of what I am referring to (the problem fonts are
> circled):
> http://onlymooo.com/Screenshot.png
>
> I added the VGASYS.FON, SSERIFE.FON, and SERIFE.FON fonts as described
> in http://winehq.org/site/docs/wine-user/config-fonts-main with no
> difference.
>
Wine doesn't use .FON files, and I would be surprised if Quicken under
Windows did either. Instead, try copying over all the .ttf files from a
Windows installation to Wine. Wine does support TrueType fonts.
The current version of Wine has a few built in replacements for fonts,
and perhaps these are too small (it seems like there have been several
complaints lately). But if external TrueType fonts are found, Wine
should use those.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:57:42 -0600
From: Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
To: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
Cc: wine-users at winehq.org
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:18:44 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
wrote:
>
>>Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
>>>WINEDEBUG=warn+font wine quicken
>>>
>>>or
>>>
>>>WINEDEBUG=err+font wine quicken
>
>
> Well, I think you're right, although that would only get one line
> responses. If wine outputs a two line response then you'd miss the
> second line.
>
>
You're right, of course. So just to check, I ran the above two
WINEDEBUGs. Unfortunately, the results were identical to the grep
output. So we didn't learn anything new there.
>>Actually, I believe that appropriately grepping my saved 53MB file would
>>accomplish the same thing, yes? If so, here is the output, which
>>conveniently combines "warn" and "err" (again, sorry about any poor
>>wrapping):
>>
>>[marcw at fred marcw]$ grep -i err q20*
>>warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
>>"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.scale" err = 2
>>warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
>>"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.cache-1" err = 2
>>warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
>>"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.dir" err = 2
>>warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
>>"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.scale" err = 2
>>warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
>>"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.cache-1" err = 2
>>warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file
>>"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.dir" err = 2
>
>
> Humm....I would have thought the first 6 might be clues. (What do I
> know?!?!) It appears to me that Wine is looking for msfonts-style
> stuff and cannot find it. I'd guess that Wine substitues something and
> that maybe that substitution is what's causing the problem? This is
> where deleting your 53MB file and running again might produce very
> little info, but very targeted info. If this problem happens on one
> page, then possibly it happens on other, smaller pages. you could move
> from page to page and catch it happening and see the messages in the
> terminal.
The reason that I said that they were likely unimportant is that I
believe that they are merely idicies for the real fonts that are
contained in those directories. Elsewhere in that large debug file, it
appears as though the real fonts in that same dir are being loaded just
fine.
>
> BTW - Have you read the Wine Users manual about setting up font
> servers, etc.? This could be part of the problem. I run Quicken under
> Crossover Office and I think they did much of this for me. I'm having
> some font problems with other programs under Wine and was trying to
> understand if this font server stuff was a requirement, a suggestion,
> or just info...
>
Yes. And I currently am already doing just that. Fedora Core2 already
has a font server so I had added a bunch of MS fonts long ago for an
entirely different purpose, unrelated to wine.
> Blind leading the blind...
I know what you mean. Thanks anyway.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:03:56 -0600
From: Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
To: Duane Clark <dclark at akamail.com>
Cc: wine-users at winehq.com
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Duane Clark wrote:
> Marc Williams wrote:
>
>> I just installed Quicken 2001 using the 0914 version of Wine built
>> from source code on my Fedora Core 2 machine. I followed the Quicken
>> install instruction #2 on Franks Corner site. The installation went
>> fine and everything seems to work well. But some of the fonts are
>> unreadable.
>>
>> Here is a screen shot of what I am referring to (the problem fonts are
>> circled):
>> http://onlymooo.com/Screenshot.png
>>
>> I added the VGASYS.FON, SSERIFE.FON, and SERIFE.FON fonts as described
>> in http://winehq.org/site/docs/wine-user/config-fonts-main with no
>> difference.
>>
>
> Wine doesn't use .FON files, and I would be surprised if Quicken under
> Windows did either. Instead, try copying over all the .ttf files from a
> Windows installation to Wine. Wine does support TrueType fonts.
>
What you're saying surprises me because I got that information right out
of the online wine manual in the referenced URL. But even if you're
right, it doesn't seem to make a difference either way because things
look the same both before and after using those .FON fonts.
> The current version of Wine has a few built in replacements for fonts,
> and perhaps these are too small (it seems like there have been several
> complaints lately). But if external TrueType fonts are found, Wine
> should use those.
>
It seems as if wine (and Quicken) are already using the TT fonts that
are being served up by my font server. At least that's the impression I
got from the debug output I ran earlier. And the screen fonts all look
identical to their real Windows counterparts *except* for those that I
circled.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:13:21 -0800
From: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
Reply-To: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
To: Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Cc: wine-users at winehq.org
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:57:42 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
> > On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:18:44 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw at onlymooo.com>
wrote:
> >
> >>Mark Knecht wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>WINEDEBUG=warn+font wine quicken
> >>>
> >>>or
> >>>
> >>>WINEDEBUG=err+font wine quicken
> >
> >
> > Well, I think you're right, although that would only get one line
> > responses. If wine outputs a two line response then you'd miss the
> > second line.
> >
> >
> You're right, of course. So just to check, I ran the above two
> WINEDEBUGs. Unfortunately, the results were identical to the grep
> output. So we didn't learn anything new there.
>
<SNIP>
>
> The reason that I said that they were likely unimportant is that I
> believe that they are merely idicies for the real fonts that are
> contained in those directories. Elsewhere in that large debug file, it
> appears as though the real fonts in that same dir are being loaded just
> fine.
>
>
> >
> > BTW - Have you read the Wine Users manual about setting up font
> > servers, etc.? This could be part of the problem. I run Quicken under
> > Crossover Office and I think they did much of this for me. I'm having
> > some font problems with other programs under Wine and was trying to
> > understand if this font server stuff was a requirement, a suggestion,
> > or just info...
> >
>
> Yes. And I currently am already doing just that. Fedora Core2 already
> has a font server so I had added a bunch of MS fonts long ago for an
> entirely different purpose, unrelated to wine.
>
> > Blind leading the blind...
>
> I know what you mean. Thanks anyway.
>
OK - So I am in a 'let's see what actually works under wine-20041019'
mood this week. I've currently had VERY little luck getting anything
to run, but I've been trying lots of things people don't use a lot:
Reaktor Session
Myst
Riven
Roller Coaster Tycoon
Quake
GigaSampler
GigaStudio 96
Caesar 3
Of those only Caesar 3 works correctly.
I have a copy of Quicken 2001 here in my binder. I'll try installing
it and seeing what happens. I normally run Q2004 Premier Edition under
Crossover Office, but I used to run Q2001. If I have the problem we
learn something, and if I don't have the problem we can try to figure
out what's different about our systems..
Give me a few hours...
- Mark
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Message: 10
To: wine-users at winehq.com
From: Duane Clark <dclark at akamail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:04:59 -0800
Marc Williams wrote:
>
> What you're saying surprises me because I got that information right out
> of the online wine manual in the referenced URL. But even if you're
> right, it doesn't seem to make a difference either way because things
> look the same both before and after using those .FON fonts.
>
The documentation is, unfortunately, frequently out of date. The font
rendering in particular has changed several times over the years, but
not the documentation.
>>The current version of Wine has a few built in replacements for fonts,
>>and perhaps these are too small (it seems like there have been several
>>complaints lately). But if external TrueType fonts are found, Wine
>>should use those.
>>
>
>
> It seems as if wine (and Quicken) are already using the TT fonts that
> are being served up by my font server. At least that's the impression I
> got from the debug output I ran earlier. And the screen fonts all look
> identical to their real Windows counterparts *except* for those that I
> circled.
In general, if there are any TTF fonts in your Wine c:/windows/fonts
directory, then Wine will render those fonts directly (using Freetype)
rather that use the X font server. That assumes you have reasonably
recent FreeType rendering. This is actually the best way to go; it tends
to produce better results.
That said, I wonder if perhaps this is a more subtle problem. For
example, here is an attachment from Quicken 2002 Deluxe. It would appear
to me that "Update" is using the very same font as "Options". And even
on your screen shot, the same font family appears to be used for
"Options" and "Update/Send". It appears only the point size is different.
I wonder whether there is a fixed amount of space on the button, and if
the width of the string is to long with the normal font point sizing,
than it might chose a smaller point size. I wonder if other buttons,
with shorter strings, are rendered with a larger font?
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