<div class="gmail_quote">I think the down sides various people have mentioned about separating it a little are overblown. Suppose they were to add to the forum a beginner's category which is disconnected from the mailing list:<br>
1. The segregation would be no worse than pre-gateway. There was a relative lack of maintainers and devs on forums before the gateway and there would only continue to be. The maintains who have left have shown that the status quo isn't really better either.<br>
2. Yes, some users may misjudge whether their question belongs inside or outside the beginner's section, but I doubt there would be so many as to be a serious problem.<br><br>The beginner's section could have sticky topics with links to beginner FAQs. If somebody asks a question that isn't likely to be answered in the beginner's section, a moderator can move it to the section that is linked to the mailing list.<br>
<br>I think that's as close as it can realisticly get to what the gateway was supposed to accomplish without driving more knowledgable people away.<br><font color="#888888"><br>-Sterling Christensen</font><div><div></div>
<div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Austin English <<a href="mailto:austinenglish@gmail.com" target="_blank">austinenglish@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div>On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Mark Knecht <<a href="mailto:markknecht@gmail.com" target="_blank">markknecht@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Dan Kegel <<a href="mailto:dank@kegel.com" target="_blank">dank@kegel.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> > > Mailing list now getting clogged up with beginners questions.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > For me that's it, I'm leaving, and you'll have to find new maintainers for the<br>
> > > apps I maintained.<br>
> ><br>
> > Hmm. That's two people who are upset by the<br>
> > increase in newbie questions.<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm starting to think that perhaps we do need<br>
> > to map the existing forum to a wine-users-newbies list.<br>
> > I think that amount of segmentation might in fact<br>
> > be useful.<br>
> > - Dan<br>
><br>
> What am I missing here? I have received maybe 10 messages (just a<br>
> guess. Maybe more.) in the last couple of days. It doesn't seem (to me<br>
> anyway) that this is enough to cause anyone heartburn but clearly<br>
> Renaud is upset by this. I receive something in the range of 250-300<br>
> messages a day so I hardly see the increase but there have been a few<br>
> more.<br>
><br>
> Am I not receiving all the messages?<br>
><br>
> Anyway, I wouldn't want app maintainers quiting over something like<br>
> this, nor would I prefer to have newbies be without the help of<br>
> maintainers also. Instead of changing the users list maybe there needs<br>
> to be some sort of maintainers list for folks like Ranaud?<br>
><br>
> I'm perfectly happy with whatever you do but if there are two lists<br>
> let me know how to get signed up for whatever the new one is.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Mark<br>
><br>
><br>
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</div></div>I don't think we should be turning away those seeking help...That's<br>
the whole point of wine-users/the forum. If you didn't want to help,<br>
you shouldn't have signed up for it. Putting a couple warnings/links<br>
to the FAQ/etc should help the situation.<br>
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