The webserver is back online. There are still plenty of quirks to fix. Feel free to bug me here on wine-devel about any issues that crop up.
Whats Up: www.winehq.org website bugs.winehq.org website appdb.winehq.org website FTP site Anonymous CVS access
What is still down: We use cvsupd to sync our CVS trees. I'm still working on getting this running on Debian Sarge. It is no longer included in Sarge so I installed the woody packages. Though I have been unable to get it working. What this means is any commits that Alexander makes will not get into the anonymous tree until I figure it out.
ChangeLog: - moved OS to Debian Sarge * now using - Apache 2.0.54 / PHP 4.3.10 * switched from sendmail to Exim4 * upgraded mailing lists from mailman 2.0 to 2.1 * mailing lists now using pipermail for archiving note: old links will work as the hypermail archives still exist
I'm still tweaking configs and all so expect the site to be a bit erratic over the next few days.
Jeremy Newman wrote:
The webserver is back online. There are still plenty of quirks to fix. Feel free to bug me here on wine-devel about any issues that crop up.
Whats Up: www.winehq.org website bugs.winehq.org website appdb.winehq.org website FTP site Anonymous CVS access
Anonymous CVS still doesn't work for me:
[alex@srv64 src-python]$ cd ~/download/wine/wine-20050725-cvs/ [alex@srv64 wine-20050725-cvs]$ cvs update -PAd /home/wine: no such repository [alex@srv64 wine-20050725-cvs]$ cvs login Logging in to :pserver:[email protected]:2401/home/wine CVS password: /home/wine: no such repository [alex@srv64 wine-20050725-cvs]$
I can only assume that the repository is no longer at /home/wine, but this is the announced path on the website, and it has worked until today. So, which is the new path, if any?
Alex Villacís Lasso
It works. You are probably still resolving to the old IP. That should clear up shortly.
$ host winehq.org winehq.org has address 209.32.141.3
$ cvs -d:pserver:[email protected]:/home/wine co wine cvs checkout: Updating wine U wine/.cvsignore U wine/ANNOUNCE U wine/AUTHORS ...
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 18:44 -0500, Alex Villacís Lasso wrote:
Jeremy Newman wrote:
The webserver is back online. There are still plenty of quirks to fix. Feel free to bug me here on wine-devel about any issues that crop up.
Whats Up: www.winehq.org website bugs.winehq.org website appdb.winehq.org website FTP site Anonymous CVS access
Anonymous CVS still doesn't work for me:
[alex@srv64 src-python]$ cd ~/download/wine/wine-20050725-cvs/ [alex@srv64 wine-20050725-cvs]$ cvs update -PAd /home/wine: no such repository [alex@srv64 wine-20050725-cvs]$ cvs login Logging in to :pserver:[email protected]:2401/home/wine CVS password: /home/wine: no such repository [alex@srv64 wine-20050725-cvs]$
I can only assume that the repository is no longer at /home/wine, but this is the announced path on the website, and it has worked until today. So, which is the new path, if any?
Alex Villacís Lasso
Jeremy Newman wrote:
It works. You are probably still resolving to the old IP. That should clear up shortly.
$ host winehq.org winehq.org has address 209.32.141.3
$ cvs -d:pserver:[email protected]:/home/wine co wine cvs checkout: Updating wine U wine/.cvsignore U wine/ANNOUNCE U wine/AUTHORS ...
Oh, I see. The CVS repository is now at plain "winehq.org", instead of "cvs.winehq.org". I was getting confused, especially since the website has not changed to announce this change. Thanks for the explanation.
Alex Villacís Lasso
Well, cvs.winehq.org is just a CNAME to www.winehq.org. They all point to the same IP. Any of those hosts should work. Depending of course on any stale DNS records at your name server. We prefer you use cvs.winehq.org just in case down the road we do move it to a different box or what have you.
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 19:27 -0500, Alex Villacís Lasso wrote:
Oh, I see. The CVS repository is now at plain "winehq.org", instead of "cvs.winehq.org". I was getting confused, especially since the website has not changed to announce this change. Thanks for the explanation.
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 18:30 -0500, Jeremy Newman wrote:
What is still down: We use cvsupd to sync our CVS trees. I'm still working on getting this running on Debian Sarge. It is no longer included in Sarge so I installed the woody packages. Though I have been unable to get it working. What this means is any commits that Alexander makes will not get into the anonymous tree until I figure it out.
This is fixed now. Anyone using cvsup can connect to the box again. Commits from Alexander will sync back into the anonymous tree as well.
It is always a good time trying to re-learn how to configure something you setup 5 years ago. :-)
Tuesday, August 30, 2005, 5:30:49 PM, Jeremy Newman wrote:
The webserver is back online. There are still plenty of quirks to fix. Feel free to bug me here on wine-devel about any issues that crop up.
It looks like pipermail doesn't understand some files and converts them to something.bin, which makes it hard to read.
Here is an example: http://www.winehq.com/pipermail/wine-patches/2005-August/020339.html The file included should be sync.diff
Vitaliy
Interesting. Pipermail does not have any config that I can see to change that. Looking at other mailing lists it looks like that is just how it works.
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 20:30 -0600, Vitaliy Margolen wrote:
Tuesday, August 30, 2005, 5:30:49 PM, Jeremy Newman wrote:
The webserver is back online. There are still plenty of quirks to fix. Feel free to bug me here on wine-devel about any issues that crop up.
It looks like pipermail doesn't understand some files and converts them to something.bin, which makes it hard to read.
Here is an example: http://www.winehq.com/pipermail/wine-patches/2005-August/020339.html The file included should be sync.diff
Vitaliy
* On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Jeremy Newman wrote:
- On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 20:30 -0600, Vitaliy Margolen wrote:
It looks like pipermail doesn't understand some files and converts them to something.bin, which makes it hard to read.
Here is an example: http://www.winehq.com/pipermail/wine-patches/2005-August/020339.html The file included should be sync.diff
Interesting. Pipermail does not have any config that I can see to change that. Looking at other mailing lists it looks like that is just how it works.
Hm. The page shows it's type as "x-patch". Even pine on my mail server knows it is a text file which can be easily viewed. Still winehq server/mail-manager converts the type to "application/octet-stream".
$ wget -S http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/attachments/20050831/cb1e3bc5/s... | --19:14:58-- http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/attachments/20050831/cb1e3bc5/s... | => `sync.bin' | Resolving www.winehq.org... 209.32.141.3 | Connecting to www.winehq.org[209.32.141.3]:80... connected. | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... | 1 HTTP/1.1 200 OK | 2 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:16:06 GMT | 3 Server: Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) | 4 Last-Modified: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:49:20 GMT | 5 ETag: "5cd56-80e-efe46800" | 6 Accept-Ranges: bytes | 7 Content-Length: 2062 | 8 Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100 | 9 Connection: Keep-Alive | 10 Content-Type: application/octet-stream
May it have something to do with the content of /etc/mime* ?
On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 19:24 +0300, Saulius Krasuckas wrote:
Hm. The page shows it's type as "x-patch". Even pine on my mail server knows it is a text file which can be easily viewed. Still winehq server/mail-manager converts the type to "application/octet-stream".
May it have something to do with the content of /etc/mime* ?
No, it's simple really. Pipermail stores all attachments in as .bin files. I believe this is to prevent any possible server hacks by emailing attachments that could get executed locally by the server. This was possible in hypermail by emailing a .cgi or a .php file. When you click that link the file would be executed. I worked around it by disabling those extensions in the directories where hypermail is.
When you click the link, apache sees .bin, which will always return a mime type of application/octet-stream.
The only way to work around that is for pipermail to use a cgi program which would send the correct mime type when you download a file.
* On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Jeremy Newman wrote:
- On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 19:24 +0300, Saulius Krasuckas wrote:
Still winehq server/mail-manager converts the type to "application/octet-stream".
Pipermail stores all attachments in as .bin files. .. When you click the link, apache sees .bin, which will always return a mime type of application/octet-stream.
Ok, I am still new to apache. :-]
I wonder, can't Pipermail store all attachments here as .diff files? BTW, that would encourange users not to send .bz2 files. :-P
The only way to work around that is for pipermail to use a cgi program which would send the correct mime type when you download a file.
What programming language would be appropriate here? And how much lines approximately would such program take?
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 12:18 +0300, Saulius Krasuckas wrote:
- On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Jeremy Newman wrote:
- On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 19:24 +0300, Saulius Krasuckas wrote:
The only way to work around that is for pipermail to use a cgi program which would send the correct mime type when you download a file.
What programming language would be appropriate here? And how much lines approximately would such program take?
If you are serious about taking on this issue. The best place to go is to check out the mailman CVS at: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/
Mailman (and Pipermail) are written in Python. I have no idea how many lines this would take, but it shouldn't be all that hard.
Please note, as policy I only use binary packages in the Debian stable tree. So even if your patch gets approved I won't see it until the next Debian goes stable. That would be 'etch' BTW.
* On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Jeremy Newman wrote:
- On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 12:18 +0300, Saulius Krasuckas wrote:
If you are serious about taking on this issue. The best place to go is to check out the mailman CVS at: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/
Thanks.
as policy I only use binary packages in the Debian stable tree. So even if your patch gets approved I won't see it until the next Debian goes stable. That would be 'etch' BTW.
This means all the world is restricted from reading about a half of sent patches through a web for some lengthy time, maybe a year. Right? :-(
OTOH, maybe my FF can be configured to treat *.bin files from winehq.org as .diff files (X-PATCH). If someone know of such solution, alert me, please.
In reading the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.046.htp I came to the impression that the mime-type and extension must match. If they don't the extension is changed to .bin.
I checked /etc/mime.types on my etch system and there is no text/x-patch. 'diff' is listed as a file type under text/plain.
As an experiment I am attaching an ASCII text file to this e-mail with a .txt and a .diff extention, each file will get a mime type of text/plain and text/x-patch.
Let's see what mailman does...
Ron
Interesting, when it does get the mime type, it inlines it for text types. I'll add the mime type text/x-diff to /etc/mime.types and see what happens.
Please try this email test again in about 5 minutes.
I'm not sure if people want the patches inline, maybe they do? Let me know.
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 11:40 -0600, Ron Jensen wrote:
In reading the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.046.htp I came to the impression that the mime-type and extension must match. If they don't the extension is changed to .bin.
I checked /etc/mime.types on my etch system and there is no text/x-patch. 'diff' is listed as a file type under text/plain.
As an experiment I am attaching an ASCII text file to this e-mail with a .txt and a .diff extention, each file will get a mime type of text/plain and text/x-patch.
Let's see what mailman does...
Ron
Right, I added both. Since some pass it as text/x-patch, and some pass text/x-diff.
I haven't seen any complaints about the patches appearing inline, so I assume that it is OK.
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 23:43 +0100, Richard Cohen wrote:
Jeremy Newman wrote:
Interesting, when it does get the mime type, it inlines it for text types. I'll add the mime type text/x-diff to /etc/mime.types and see what happens.
Dont't you mean text/x-patch?
Richard
* On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Saulius Krasuckas wrote:
- On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Jeremy Newman wrote:
- On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 23:43 +0100, Richard Cohen wrote:
Dont't you mean text/x-patch?
Right, I added both. Since some pass it as text/x-patch, and some pass text/x-diff.
Works fine for me. Big thanks.
It stopped working nice for me again. The server returns "Content-Type: text/x-diff" in the HTTP headers, but somehow all my browsers started asking me about what should they do with such file.
Any ideas, why? What have changed since then?
Sorry it took longer to retry the test. Had to work some.
Let's see what mailman does this time...
Ron
Jeremy Newman wrote:
The webserver is back online. There are still plenty of quirks to fix. Feel free to bug me here on wine-devel about any issues that crop up.
Just because no one else has said it yet:
Nice work, Jer!
(Jer is masking all the behind the scenese wrangling he did with our two ISPs to arrange this, and the mad scramble to replace a raided drive that had fried, and the rebuild to Debian. )
It was darn nice work on his part to get it all essentially done in a day.
Cheers,
Jeremy
On 8/30/05, Jeremy White [email protected] wrote:
Jeremy Newman wrote:
The webserver is back online. There are still plenty of quirks to fix. Feel free to bug me here on wine-devel about any issues that crop up.
Just because no one else has said it yet:
Nice work, Jer!
http://www.winehq.org/ doesn't work here......
http://winehq.org/ works fine ;-)
Tom
On 8/31/05, Tom Wickline [email protected] wrote:
On 8/30/05, Jeremy White [email protected] wrote:
Jeremy Newman wrote:
The webserver is back online. There are still plenty of quirks to fix. Feel free to bug me here on wine-devel about any issues that crop up.
Just because no one else has said it yet:
Nice work, Jer!
http://www.winehq.org/ doesn't work here......
DNS just got updated and the site seems to load up allot faster than before :)
Nice Work Indeed!
Am Mittwoch, 31. August 2005 01:30 schrieb Jeremy Newman:
The webserver is back online. There are still plenty of quirks to fix. Feel free to bug me here on wine-devel about any issues that crop up.
Hi Jeremy,
thank you for the new webserver.
Is it possible to get the timestamps back into the mailing list archive? It is useful e.g. for regression testing to see when patches were committed to cvs.
Thanks Stefan
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 11:22:21PM +0200, Stefan Leichter wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 31. August 2005 01:30 schrieb Jeremy Newman:
The webserver is back online. There are still plenty of quirks to fix. Feel free to bug me here on wine-devel about any issues that crop up.
Hi Jeremy,
thank you for the new webserver.
Is it possible to get the timestamps back into the mailing list archive? It is useful e.g. for regression testing to see when patches were committed to cvs.
Thanks Stefan
I was wondering the same thing. However it looks like this feature doesn't (yet) exist in Pipermail.
See: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=843141&grou...
Perhaps someone could dig through http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ and see if there is indeed an answer I missed?
The other thing in the archive that has been annoying me is the badly out of range dates. See http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg08224.html for a huge flame war dust-up on this issue. I'm in the date-munging group, or the sort by date means system-received date not sent date.
There is a mailman developer archive here: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/info.html done by MHonArc v2.6.15.
Ron
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 11:22:21PM +0200, Stefan Leichter wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 31. August 2005 01:30 schrieb Jeremy Newman:
The webserver is back online. There are still plenty of quirks to fix. Feel free to bug me here on wine-devel about any issues that crop up.
Hi Jeremy,
thank you for the new webserver.
Is it possible to get the timestamps back into the mailing list archive? It is useful e.g. for regression testing to see when patches were committed to cvs.
Thanks Stefan
I was wondering the same thing. However it looks like this feature doesn't (yet) exist in Pipermail.
See: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=843141&grou...
Perhaps someone could dig through http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ and see if there is indeed an answer I missed?
The other thing in the archive that has been annoying me is the badly out of range dates. See http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg08224.html for a huge flame war dust-up on this issue. I'm in the date-munging group, or the sort by date means system-received date not sent date.
There is a mailman developer archive here: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/info.html done by MHonArc v2.6.15.
Ron
No, it is not possible.
On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 23:22 +0200, Stefan Leichter wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 31. August 2005 01:30 schrieb Jeremy Newman:
The webserver is back online. There are still plenty of quirks to fix. Feel free to bug me here on wine-devel about any issues that crop up.
Hi Jeremy,
thank you for the new webserver.
Is it possible to get the timestamps back into the mailing list archive? It is useful e.g. for regression testing to see when patches were committed to cvs.
Thanks Stefan
On 9/2/05, Stefan Leichter [email protected] wrote:
Is it possible to get the timestamps back into the mailing list archive? It is useful e.g. for regression testing to see when patches were committed to cvs.
Yeah, it's actually a showstopper for me too and I asked the same thing. It's exactly why there was no WWN last and why there isn't likely to be one this week. I'm sure mailman has some great features, but for me the pipermail archives suck rocks.
-Brian
I'm really sorry you guys feel that way. The complaints have been very minimal overall. If I wasn't so busy I can spend more time on it. My problem is that I don't want to go back to Hypermail either. It has serious issues with security and its attachment handling. So any other options/suggestions I'll take. Or if anyone has some ideas on how Brian can get the info he needs.
I found a patch that will add the date to the message lists. Problem is, this goes against my policies. I don't like to patch binary packages beyond the normal configuration files. This gets me into a quagmire when I have to update the packages during a security update.
It does seem very strange that mailman does not have the date built in. It does let you customize the templates, but leaves out the options for dates and post counts. The patch I found was from way back in 2003. They didn't even accept it back then. Makes me scratch my head when a good open source project like mailman does not accept obvious improvements.
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 14:36 -0600, Brian Vincent wrote:
On 9/2/05, Stefan Leichter [email protected] wrote:
Is it possible to get the timestamps back into the mailing list archive? It is useful e.g. for regression testing to see when patches were committed to cvs.
Yeah, it's actually a showstopper for me too and I asked the same thing. It's exactly why there was no WWN last and why there isn't likely to be one this week. I'm sure mailman has some great features, but for me the pipermail archives suck rocks.
-Brian
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