[Bug 9437] QIP window should not have WM titlebar

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http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9437





--- Comment #11 from L. Rahyen <mail at science.su>  2007-08-28 10:03:19 ---
> I do not know is there such specific MWM hint.

Yes, in KDE's WM there is such type of windows. However, I don't know how to
implement this (I'm programmer but not GUI-programmer, sorry).

> If there isn't such hint, why do not let this window be unmanaged?

By default, no windows should be on all desktops. If something available on all
desktops on top of *everything* and it is impossible to get rid of it this is
very stupid and annoying bug. In fact, current WINE is much better than
previous versions. Now we have almost correct behavior. "Almost" means there
still some work to be done.

Personally, I really hate unmanaged windows. I have 24 desktops (12 desktops on
each monitor), have a lot of Windows programs running. Current behavior gives
me a chance to get rid of some (very unflexible) virtual desktops because now
much more programs work correctly in Linux environment.

Just relevant example: in the account of my brother he has a Windows program
Mousotron. Expected behavior for this program is to be on all desktops. But
because it is unmanaged it is even impossible to watch full screen video (it
will be on top of it). Minimizing to tray each time isn't acceptable of course
(especially if you just want to watch video with length of 5-30 seconds). Using
virtual desktop was too ugly so I was forced to write a wrapper script for some
full screen programs so they can hide it (by killing it) when necessary and
bring it back again. I didn't test it with new WINE yet on his computer but I
guess it will work much better now if it will become managed.

What all above means? Unmanaged windows with no possibility to make them
managed is very ugly bug in many cases because such behavior brakes WM's rules.
In windows there is no desktops but even there programs like Mousotron don't
persist on top if you run full screen application.

What about this bug, I see here only two real problems:

> qip main window itself is tool window, which has narrow titlebar.

1) This problem is "trivial" one (type of window title). In anyway, In Linux
(both GNOME and KDE) default behavior is to be on one desktop and don't use
on-top-of-all-windows attribute except where this is really necessary. If user
needs special behavior and knows the basics of his/her WM he/she can change
settings as he/she wants with few simple clicks. That means even if this will
be fixed qip's window will be on one desktop by default anyway because this is
the default in the WM for this window-style.

2) This problem is "minor" bug (because easy and obvious workaround is
available). The program (qip) hangs if it is on one desktop but you try to use
some its functions via tray icon on another desktop.

Hope I understood everything correctly. Anyway it should be decided what this
bug is about (problem #1 or #2). Please note that unmanaged style don't comply
with Windows behavior because even titlebar-less or on-top-of-all programs in
Windows *don't* stay on top if you run full screen application like video
player or game. WINE should comply with Windows behavior.


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