[Bug 28723] Sound stutter in Rage when emulated windows version is set to "Windows 7" (XAudio2 -> mmdevapi sound output path)

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Thu Nov 3 12:23:37 CDT 2011


--- Comment #23 from Alexey Loukianov <mooroon2 at mail.ru> 2011-11-03 12:23:37 CDT ---
(In reply to comment #21)
> I've never seen native tests report anything else beside 10.0000 and 10.1587ms
> (alignment for Intel HDA) shared mode default periods.  So reporting anything
> else is out of question.

IMHO it would be interesting to test for reported values with hardware other
than Intel HDA. What I've got here and would be able to test is a laptop with
installed Win7Starter. This laptop is equipped with Conexant HDA codec, it
would be interesting to take a look at the GetDefaultPeriod values Core Audio
would report on it. Actually it might be reasonable to ask users on Wine forums
to do some tests on Seven and Vista with different types of audio hardware so
we would get the entire picture and would be able to determine the rage which
is sane to use for default and minimum periods and also for duration.

> Alexey, how does that app react if you internally set duration to 30ms even
> when it asks for 20ms?  From your description, it would initially fill half of
> it, i.e. 15ms, then receive an event and fill 10ms more, which would not be
> that bad.
Hadn't tested yet, going to do it tonight.

> Does GetStreamLatency influence XA2?

It looks like XA2 doesn't calls it at all. At least I wouldn't able to grep its
invocation in all the logs I've collected during experiments.

> Of course, what would really be nice is to signal events at the earliest
> possible time when timing is tight, i.e. ALSA -> mmdevapi -> app.  The cascade
> of periodic timers obviously causes latency.

Agreed. I've tried to quickly hack-in usage of async ALSA PCM callbacks into
winealsa.drv but had failed to do it properly. Looks like I have to read more
and increase my knowledge on the ALSA side to be able to done it right (or come
to a conclusion that async ALSA IO can't be used as a solution for this case).

> I believe native can get away with a buffer size slightly > 11ms.  Presumably,
> when the periodic 10ms event fires, the mixer has mixed 10ms of data that was
> immediately fed to the HW and the app has ~9ms to provide the next chunk.  

Emm, I'm a bit confused and can't understand what are you writing about here.
Buffer size of 11ms - do you mean the "duration" that had been requested by
app? Actually I can easily write an app that would be able to use 10ms (and
maybe even less) buffers with current winealsa mmdevdrv implementation without
hitting underruns. What is needed is to poll GetCurrentPadding frequently
enough and feed in the data as soon as buffer would have some free space
available. XA2 hits the bug because it only pumps out data in 10ms chunks and
checks if there's enough free buffer space available are only done at event
fire times. Pair it with small buffer size (2xDefaultPeriod) and events firing
only roughly once per period and we've got perfect way to produce underruns.

> Wine needs more latency because mixer and event and HW are not 
> synchronised, e.g. winmm has a periodic feeder thread, mmdevapi 
> adds another one etc.

winmm in unrelated to this bug but you're generally right - various mixing
threads and buffers in different APIs downstream from app and to the OS sound
driver add up a lot to latency. But increased output latency issue isn't a
show-stopper for the most use cases (one would use something like
wineasio->jack in cases where latency really matters), while underruns caused
by race conditions introduced as a result of desync are real pain.

IMO, what winealsa.drv mmdevdrv is actually doing is emulating "DMA ring buffer
with period boundary crossing interrupts" behavior in software, but reported
"padding" value is being fetched from the OS driver (ALSA) and which is not
closely in sync with emulated ring buffer "padding". As emulated period size
and real ALSA period sizes are not the same (and it is not ensured/guaranteed
that emulated HW period size is a multiple of ALSA hw period size) and timer
events are not synchronized with real hardware events - padding size that is
being reported by winealsa.drv mmdevdrv would always lag behind a bit from the
real HW padding value (lag would be around ALSA hw period size at most). What
I'm going to test tonight is to try to report padding based on the amount of
data that had been uploaded into ALSA and not on the amount of free buffer
space as reported by ALSA. While being obviously wrong (it would report to an
app that some samples had been already played while actually they might be not)
it might be yet another working workaround for this bug.

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