Versions & mass-appeal
tony_lambregts at telusplanet.net
Wed Oct 30 16:50:35 CST 2002
Uwe Bonnes wrote:
>>>>>>"Dimitrie" == Dimitrie O Paun <dpaun at rogers.com> writes:
> Dimitrie> On October 30, 2002 01:57 am, Ender wrote:
> >> - Many apps do not work without Desktop enabled. This is far worse
> >> than it sounds, because most newbies try managed non-desktop
> >> first. People think WINE should be able to do seemless
> >> intergration. Then when an application hangs, they think it's
> >> incompatible and give up. However in many cases the Application will
> >> work fine in Desktop mode. BAD, these apps should either be made to
> >> work... or non-desktop mode should be removed!
> Dimitrie> IMO desktop mode exists only because our integration is not
> Dimitrie> very good. It should die sooner, rather than later, it's just
> Dimitrie> a big hack. So we should rather focus on getting apps to work
> Dimitrie> in non-desktop more, rather then resurrecting the silly
> Dimitrie> desktop option.
>my opinion on desktop mode is another one. It's not silly. Two examples:
>- any program in non-desktop mode switching to full screen (hey, a lot of
>programs like installer do that) and crashing later without a proper setup
>of the debugger. No most users are left in a situation they can't easily
>solve, as they don't know that they still can switch consoles and kill wine...
>- any application poping up endless series of new processes, each process
>grabbing keyboard focus. In a good desktop mode I would expect the real
>focus not to switch from the outside to the desktop. As now each process
>spawns it's own new desktop, focus is switched anyways.
Yes desktop is broken but it is the best way that I have to debug
programs. Without desktop a lot of programs want to take over the whole
screen and although there may be other ways of debuging these programs
this is the best way that I know of. It need to be fixed not gotten rid of.
My 2 bits
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