Versions & mass-appeal

Tony Lambregts tony_lambregts at
Wed Oct 30 16:50:35 CST 2002

Uwe Bonnes wrote:

>>>>>>"Dimitrie" == Dimitrie O Paun <dpaun at> writes:
>    Dimitrie> On October 30, 2002 01:57 am, Ender wrote:
>    >> - Many apps do not work without Desktop enabled. This is far worse
>    >> than it sounds, because most newbies try managed non-desktop
>    >> first. People think WINE should be able to do seemless
>    >> intergration. Then when an application hangs, they think it's
>    >> incompatible and give up. However in many cases the Application will
>    >> work fine in Desktop mode. BAD, these apps should either be made to
>    >> work... or non-desktop mode should be removed!
>    Dimitrie> IMO desktop mode exists only because our integration is not
>    Dimitrie> very good.  It should die sooner, rather than later, it's just
>    Dimitrie> a big hack. So we should rather focus on getting apps to work
>    Dimitrie> in non-desktop more, rather then resurrecting the silly
>    Dimitrie> desktop option.
>my opinion on desktop mode is another one. It's not silly. Two examples:
>- any program in non-desktop mode switching to full screen (hey, a lot of
>programs like installer do that) and crashing later without a proper setup
>of the debugger. No most users are left in a situation they can't easily
>solve, as they don't know that they still can switch consoles and kill wine...
>- any application poping up endless series of new processes, each process
>grabbing keyboard focus. In a good desktop mode  I would expect the real
>focus not to switch from the outside to the desktop. As now each process
>spawns it's own new desktop, focus is switched anyways. 
Yes desktop is broken but it is the best way that I have to debug 
programs. Without desktop a lot of programs want to take over the whole 
screen and although there may be other ways of debuging these programs 
this is the best way that I know of.  It need to be fixed not gotten rid of.

My 2 bits

Tony Lambregts.

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