New metabugs

hatky hatkyinc at
Fri May 2 20:51:42 CDT 2003

Thanks Francois,
Your response was the most educating for me...
--- Francois Gouget <fgouget at> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 May 2003, hatky wrote:
> [...]
> > > Anyway, don't let me slow you down.  Just
> remember that
> > > bug tracking is a social issue, and you have to
> pay attention
> > > to how the other developers feel about it.
> > I am not sure what they realy think yes I only got
> 3
> > responces 2 of witch where positive :)...
> > I guess I will have to wait for the next week to
> start
> > when codewaver will return to flame me (or not) :)
> This is Wine's bugzilla so you don't need to worry
> about CodeWeavers
> flaming you (or about the CodeWeavers' needs).
> However, as Dan said,
> beware of the Wine developpers ;-).
I do not fear my own breed.
> I know I used meta-bugs in the past and we used them
> too in our internal
> CodeWeavers bugzilla database. But meta-bugs are not
> very practical in
> the long term and it is worth considering
> alternatives. In particular:
>  * Component field
>    Some developpers are specialized in a certain
> aspect of Wine. Havnig
> specialists is good, it's certainly more efficient
> than having to learn
> from scratch each time. So we need to provide a way
> for specialists to
> find bugs in their area of expertise.
>    The 'Component' field is one way to do so. Let's
> say you're a
> Direct3D specialist, you can find bugs in that area
> by querying Bugzilla
> for all bugs tagged with 'Component=wine-directx'.
>  * keywords
>    Keywords are another way to tag and query bugs.
> It's pretty flexible
> and even lets you put multiple keywords on a bug.
> For instance you can
> find all the bugs related to conformance testing by
> querying Bugzilla
> for bugs that have the 'conformance' keyword.
> Similarly you can look for
> all bugs related to programs for which the source is
> available by
> searching for bugs with the 'source' keyword.
>    See
This is very intersting and I actually did not really
know about keywords I seen them some where but I never
seen this link and it does look like a good way for
doing this kind of stuff, I just now know I can
actully update this....
> That being said,
>  * Bugzilla queries don't appear to work. Newman do
> you know what's up?
> Is it a database performance issue? Bugzilla bug?
I had this problem but I tought the bug was me since
some simple querys did work and I have never used the
>  * Direct3D and DirectSound are pertty different
> areas. Maybe we should
> split the wine-directx component into direct3d,
> directdraw, directsound
> and the generic directx.
That would be a nice idea.
>  * Maybe we need a 'wine-msvcrt' component. I know
> there are people
> interested in msvcrt but looking at the component
> list I don't know
> where such bugs would go. Or maybe we should be a
> bit more general and
> have a 'wine-libc' so that it includes crtdll and
> potential future C++
> libraries, etc.
No comment.
>  * Maybe we should add more keywords. I'm not saying
> we should do it,
> but adding 'game' keyword would provide the same
> functionality as the
> current game meta-bug. If we go this way, I could
> see another useful
> keyword: 'installer' to identify all bugs related to
> application
> installers. But we have to be careful not to add
> frivolous keywords.
I am highly for doing this and for both the 'game' and
'installer' keywords and I can not actually think of
more to add and thats rare in my case :).
>  * One useful things that can be done now is to
> inspect all new bugs to
> make sure that:
>    - the component field is set correctly
>    - the download URL to the binary or source is
> provided if applicable
>      (in case of doubt ask the reporter)
>    - all applicable keywords are set
>    That said, things seem to be already pretty much
> in order (more so
> for the component field than for keywords).
I know mine sould be redone where keywords is
concerned I will do it soon.
>  * Maybe people don't know about the keywords,
> components and Bugzilla
> queries. Maybe they need to be publicized somewhat.
A simple link somewhere would do it justice (a block
would make it even cool).
> -- 
> Francois Gouget         fgouget at       
>                   A black hole is just God dividing
> by zero.
Thanks a LOT Francois,

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