The only thing I miss from MurkySlop, after years of freedom from it, is the GPS/road/topo map programs from Garmin (primarily), DeLorme, et al. I keep wine in each new release of RedHat and YellowDog just in the hope of that. Any guesses when it might be up to them? -- RR 'Beartooth' Neuswanger <karhunhammas (at) lserv.com> Venato ergo sum.