Wine, CrossOver wins LQ Members Choice awards 2004
Holly Bostick
motub at planet.nl
Fri Feb 11 11:34:08 CST 2005
Mike Hearn wrote:
> Hey, we won by a large margin!
Congratulations!!! You've earned it, and you deserve it!!
>
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=272137
>
> Wine 293 42.59%
> Crossover Office 139 20.20%
> Cedega 131 19.04%
> VMware 101 14.68%
> Win4lin 24 3.49%
>
> Good going chaps and chapettes! Nice also to see the results are ranked
> in rough order of "freeness" too.
I am surprised that you are surprised by this ranking order. It seems
clear to me (as a user interested in this functionality) why the ranking
is in precisely this order:
Wine, while not always easy to use (a minus), is a) free/gratis (meaning
that it's easily available, a plus) and b) free as in FOSS (a big plus,
since many users who use Wine, rather than dual-booting or making a
Windows box available, do so because they have an objection to Microsoft
and so *care* about freeness, both in terms of money and licence). Plus,
it c) generally works well in most instances (and works noticeably
better every month, which is also a plus, making this a plus and a
half). So overall there are many more reasons to love Wine than "hate"
it (even though sometimes getting any given application working can be
rather hellish, even for "technically-inclined" users), and for the
majority of users with "non-specific" program needs/desires, it is
understandably the first choice.
Crossover Office, although not free/gratis (a minus, but not necessarily
a big one), is very (very) clearly a professional product in the true
sense of "crafted to a standard". This professionalism makes it very
obvious that, should one choose to buy it, the buyer will not be
throwing their money away (naturally, a huge plus when buying any
product). The product *guarantees* that it will do what it says on the
tin (another huge plus if you want me to give you my hard earned Euros),
and while it doesn't serve all general needs the way that Wine aims to
(minus), if the user has the needs that this product very explicitly
states it will serve, buying it is a bargain, because it's a damn good
product (another plus, because we've all had the experience of buying
something that just wasn't any good, even though the product "did what
it said it would" successfully). Furthermore, since everyone who knows
anything about "the Wine issue(s)" knows how closely CX is related to
Wine, there is no question-- despite CX being a closed product-- that
Codeweaver's is anything other than a fine and upstanding member and
contributor to the community (another plus, since even if I don't like
spending money, it hurts less if I'm clearly supporting the community by
doing so). Discounting the opinion of those who have some objection to
buying any Linux program (since they live in a pretty unrealistic dream
world), the only reason that CX is not voted above Wine (imo) is because
of CX's limited scope, since from a 'pure consumer' viewpoint, it stands
head and shoulders above all the commercial Linux applications I am
aware of, in any field. And head and shoulders above not a few Windows
applications, for that matter; CX is very much in the very small class
of apps I (would) buy simply because they are every bit as good as they
say they are.
Cedega is 1) not free in any sense, 2) not a good product, 3) not a good
and upstanding member of the community in the eyes of the community, and
4) not very consumer-friendly in the most ordinary sense of the word. No
ordinary consumer is going to feel good about being forced to buy a
product with absolutely no assurance that it will in fact do what it
says on the tin, whether they care about FOSS issues, or know the
history of TG, or not. The policy offends even the 'ignorant' (in the
simple sense of "not knowing anything about the history or issues
involved"), and any consumer can surf the TG site/forums and other
forums, and see that they're pretty much up the creek without a paddle
if the supposedly working game they attempted to run does not in fact
work-- especially if that game is not one of the "hot 5 of the month" or
you have an ATI card (as I do). Plenty of people who actually subscribe
hate this program, it seems, and I suspect the only people who have
(unbelievably) voted for it as "the best" are 1) in the specific
situation of running only one or two of the "supported" games (with an
nVidia card), and thus had a good experience (unlike many of the rest of
the users), and 2) are the same people that think it's OK (or even good)
that you are required to have a Steam account and broadband Internet
connection for that Steam account in order to play Half-Life 2
single-player, after spending 50 Euros for the game. I'm not sure that
these voters are respondents whose opinion I trust or value, and the
fact that there are so many of them causes me to wonder about the
composition of the responding group.
VMWare is, of course, very expensive, which knocks it right out of the
running for many. From what I have heard from users of the program, I am
not surprised it is voted above Win4lin, and my impression is that it
would also be worth the money if one needed it. But again, this program
is for relatively specific needs (which condition is also indicated by
the pricetag; it's not for "Joe Average User"), and has requirements
that may be above the heads of the "average" user, assuming said user
could afford it. The kernel has to be (re-)compiled to support it, you
must have a Windows license to use it (to install Windows), and you need
a fair amount of technical understanding to set up the virtual machine
and maintain it. After you've done all that, there are whole classes of
programs that the virtual machines do not support anyway, so this is not
really a viable option for the "general" user, explaining why Wine, CX
and Cedega come in above it. LQ respondents are more likely general
users than the specialized users that would find VMWare valuable, but
it's nice to see that there were a goodly number of such respondents
around to make their mark.
I'm sure Win4Lin must have a user base, but they are either not very
vocal, or not very many... one certainly doesn't seem to hear much about
or from them in the course of participating in large forums or following
distribution mailing lists and the like. So it is by no means a shock
that less than 5% of respondents chose it.
>
> Let's see if we can win again in the 2005 voting :)
Oh, I think you're going to wipe the floor with everybody in 2005... I
cannot express how much Wine has improved since I last used it
intensively a few (4-5) months ago-- and this is not even with "focused"
testing, just noticing that "the same old stuff I always install"
installed easier, and ran better without me having to do any tweaking or
dll copying or anything of that nature, at all. I really felt as if I
was seeing the light at the end of the tunnel; still rather distant,
perhaps (or perhaps not), but distinct and visible in my vision.
I installed "In Memoriam" (aka "Missing: Since January"), which is a
pretty recent game compared to what I usually install (2003 in Europe,
2004 in the US). It installed without difficulty, which was a pleasant
surprise, and the opening QT (or Shockwave or whatever they are) movies
ran fine, which was another pleasant surprise. But I was alarmed when I
started the game (which I didn't really know much about; a gift from the
Bargain Bin) and discovered that it uses Internet connectivity
extensively to provide game information (you get an account with
Freeserve and receive emails either via the web or in your own email
client, and there are many links within the game-- that you must follow
from within the game-- to websites where you must go to find clues to
stop the serial killer) to advance the plot.
It works perfectly. I mean, *perfectly*. I gave my gmail account in the
opening screen, and I get the mails in gmail (finally, a use for bloody
gmail). I click a link in the game and the game opens Firefox. Yeah, I
had to install the Shockwave plugin, but even that worked (and Wine must
have done that, since the Shockwave plugin is a Windows plugin), and the
Shockwave web pages run great.
I am no expert on Wine, but I am absolutely sure this would not have
worked a year ago, and maybe not even 6 months ago. My jaw is on the
ground that it works now-- without me having to do anything at all. No
config tweaks, no dll overrides, no nothing. It "Just Worked".
And if Wine is coming along that well... oh yeah, you're going to wipe
the floor with *everybody* (except CX, but you're not in competition
with CX) in 2005. And the world will stand in awe.
:-D
Holly
>
> thanks -mike
>
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