Reality check

John Smith devel8421 at
Fri Oct 14 08:35:03 CDT 2005

>Please do not keep up such high expectations, they are not warranted
>and will not be fulfilled.
Isn't it too high to expect that before answering somebody will read 
original posting?
Once again: originally I didn't have any expectations, but tried to suggest 
a generic workaround for different kind of bugs (those that can be fixed by 
tweaking configuration parameters like infamous Managed=N). And was told 
"c'm on, the biggest problem in fixing the bug is to reproduce it". Well, it 
has been proven not to be the case.

See also parts of the original discussion here:
"S. Shemesh: If you give a scenario that is easilly reproduceable, it is 
rare that problems go more than a couple of days unfixed."
"All we are saying is "pin-point the problem for us".

"More than a couple of days"? Do "6 weeks" qualify?

>From: Marcus Meissner <marcus at>
>To: John Smith <devel8421 at>
>CC: wine-devel at
>Subject: Re: Reality check
>Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:41:11 +0200
>On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 06:12:02PM +0000, John Smith wrote:
> > There was a discussion here about 2 months ago, where I asked for a way 
> > embed WINE config strings into Win32 executable (for example, as string
> > resources). I was told that it is better to fix the problem rather than 
> > create workarounds, and that fixing bugs is trivial and takes at most 
> > days as soon as it is reproducible.
> >
> > I didn't argue much then but made a little experiment to prove my point.
> > The point is the following:
> > The same applies both to commercial environments and to open source ones
> > equally. Experiment
> > illustrates it very well:
> >
> > I've found an application that experiences the problem with sympthoms 
> > are very similar to ours,
> > can be installed in 5 minutes and the problem can be reproduced in 3
> > clicks. And I've opened a bug in
> > WINE's bugzilla:  #3270 (another one #3269 was opened for another
> > incompatibility).  Result is the following: IN 6 WEEKS NOBODY EVEN TOOK 
> >
> > Welcome to the real world
>Yes, we welcome you to the wonderful world of OpenSource.
>Please understand that a lot of us are not being paid ... and so just chose
>what to do. Some of us are paid to work on WINE, but for specific tasks.
>So your bug might lie around until someone bothers to look at it.
>Or not if it is tickling the interest of a developer.
>#3270 ... is difficult, since it is lowlevel USER stuff.
>#3269 ... Not hard, its just that no one implemented it yet.
>Please do not keep up such high expectations, they are not warranted
>and will not be fulfilled.
>Ciao, Marcus

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