Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums
Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
speeddymon at gmail.com
Sun Apr 23 11:46:41 CDT 2006
Molle Bestefich wrote:
> I've tried to sum up the problems with the wine-users mailing list
> that are urging many people to call for a forum.winehq.org.
> I hope it's useful.
> 1) Cannot post without configured mail client
> 2) Browsing old topics and replying/posting new ones happen in two
> different places (web archive vs. mail client)
> 3) Current archive web interface unwieldy (many clicks needed to
> browse, always sorted by month)
> 4) Missing Googlish search function
> 5) "Subscribe" wording and web pages suggest your inbox will fill up
> when doing so
> 6) Subscribing will cause your inbox to fill up; it's not obvious how
> to change it; neither how to receive mail on specific topics you DO
> want once you've changed it
> 7) Missing "forward all postings re this topic to my inbox" feature
> 8) Very difficult to post under pseudonym
> 9) Missing 'sticky' feature (?)
> Solution 1: A forum, fx. phpBB
> ) Easy to set up.
> We might even be able to sneak it in before AJ returns :-).
> (Sorry big guy, couldn't resist pulling one on your expense =)..)
> ) Might attract away from wine-users a high quantity of dumb
> questions that people ask when they can't be bothered to search the
> ) Adds a structural approach by categorizing users' various
> problems, which encourages searching instead of asking.
> ) Dillutes knowledge; some ends up in forum and some on wine-users,
> unless we nuke wine-users.
> ) Need to hack the code to get visual integration with WineHQ (menus etc).
> ) To get single-sign-on, we need either a.) reverse proxy or b.)
> something LDAPish and some amount of phpBB hacking
> Solution 2: Point people at Gmane or Google Groups in a prominent place
> ) We don't have to do anything :-).
> ) If it's not directly on winehq.org, it's probably not official
> enough that people are going to use it.
> ) Not everyone has a Gmail account (required to post through Groups)
> ) Not everyone is adept to using Gmane
> Solution 3: WebForum-on-top-of-List
> ) We concentrate people, allowing web and email users to communicate.
> ) We concentrate (archived) knowledge in one place.
> ) The reason that forums are often filled with spam might be that
> it's too easy to post to them. We'd be duplicating that.
> ) We need to code it all ourselves!
> I think solution 1 is good, but I prefer the extra icing on the cake
> that comes with solution 3.
> Now, I'm not high on crystal meth or anything, but I'll just assume
> for a moment that we all want better accessibility for the newcomers
> (even with the rise in volume that they bring), and that all agree to
> go with solution 3 :-). Thus I'll try to outline a battle plan:
> Battle-plan for solution 3
> We'd like non-Wine developers to be able to join in; so let's make
> sure that this system is generically usable.
> That means:
> * Standard user authentication, fx. using LDAP.
> * Componentize a bit, fx. keep the web interface itself separate from
> WineHQ menu structure and logo.
> We'd need to:
> * Prioritize features
> * Setup a mailing list
> * Setup a simple project web page
> * Setup a winehq-like staging area for development (follows
> HEAD/TIP/origin of web repository so everyone can see what the others
> are doing)
> * Find developers/volunteers!
> * Get started on the coding
> When prioritizing features, we should take a look around and see if
> there are software components available that could be reused, fx.:
> * PHP LDAP auth bindings
> * Existing, good web interfaces for the wine archives (mailman?)
> * ?...
> Any holes or oversights in that plan?
> If solution 3 ever takes off, I will gladly contribute with coding.
> Realistically, though, i cannot implement something like this all by
> myself, especially not in any kind of a timely fashion.
I can contrib some code (need to start learning php anyways), and as I
said I will be more than happy to setup a shell with a hosting provider
for this and irc............
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