Request for discussion: Using PE libraries for Wine dependencies

[Zebediah Figura]

On 4/13/20 9:16 PM, Jacek Caban wrote:
> On 14.04.2020 03:35, Zebediah Figura wrote:
>>>>>> I don't work in distributions, but I don't particularly understand 
>>>>>> why 5
>>>>>> is any harder than 2-4, or what's gained from having 2-4 as an 
>>>>>> option.
>>>>>
>>>>> The gain from 2-4 is simplicity that I mentioned earlier, which I 
>>>>> think
>>>>> is crucial if we want wide adaptation. What's gained by 5?
>>>> Essentially, that it's the way things are already done.
>>>>
>>>> I guess I'm also still not understanding why 2-4 is simpler, except I
>>>> guess it doesn't require any packages to be installed as build
>>>> dependencies—which doesn't seem like a huge advantage, since that's
>>>> basically just the norm for package building.
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's use an example. Suppose I want to bootstrap a fully working 
>>> Wine on a distro with no Wine or Wine-specific packages (or I just 
>>> don't want to use them). I don't want to use any binary blob, so I 
>>> need to build all PE dependences myself. How would my experience look 
>>> like with what you propose?
>>
>> Well, in general, someone like me who's not interested in hacking on 
>> any PE libraries would retrieve precompiled libraries from WineHQ or 
>> distribution repositories—just like installing regular devel packages, 
>> just with a different architecture—and then build Wine the same way as 
>> is currently done (configure, make, make install).
> 
> 
> So, well, binary blobs.
> 
> 
>>
>> If one insists on compiling everything themself, they'd go through the 
>> same process as they would with any other package.
> 
> 
> I guess that answers your question about why 2-4 is simpler. This is not 
> as much about insisting as those are real challenges that may be 
> potentially faced by forks like Proton, CrossOver or any other.

I'm moderately familiar with the build process for Proton, and I don't 
*think* it would actually be necessary to build any packages, provided 
that our mingw libraries can be installed in the host VMs.

I'm not familiar with the build process for CrossOver, though. But if 
CrossOver—or any similar software—doesn't build and distribute all of 
those libraries already, then would it be possible to depend on mingw 
libraries in the same way that it depends on linux libraries? Failing 
that, could they distribute .deb &c. files directly, or even .dll files 
copied from our mingw packages? (Much like a Windows program would.)

>> I don't see why wanting to manually compile every PE dependency would 
>> be any more likely with Wine than other software, or why it should be 
>> treated any differently. 
> 
> We will have to agree to disagree on that. In my opinion expectation to 
> provide SDL2 shared by thousands application is something different than 
> Wine expecting distros to provide an independent cross compiled SDL2 
> package of acceptable version specifically for Wine.

Which is why I'm not really looking at it from the perspective that we 
should expect distributions to build those packages rather than the Wine 
project.

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> 
> Jacek
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