[RFC] Wayland driver development update

[Gabriel Ivăncescu]

On 28/02/2021 01:51, Zebediah Figura (she/her) wrote:
> On 2/26/21 11:23 AM, Giovanni Mascellani wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Il 24/02/21 09:34, Alexandre Julliard ha scritto:
>>> I'm not opposed in principle to having a Wayland driver upstream. In
>>> fact I started writing one myself many years ago... It got stalled when
>>> I realized there was essentially no way to do decent window management,
>>> and that the best we could do would be the equivalent of X11 desktop
>>> mode, where we manage the windows ourselves. I don't have the impression
>>> that the situation has improved in the meantime, or that there is any
>>> interest in improving it.
>>
>> I have very little knowledge of how Wayland compares with X11 from the
>> protocol point of view. Could you please elaborate a little bit on what
>> is missing in Wayland? The only thing I've heard about so far is
>> changing a window's absolute position. Can be annoying, but it's not a
>> terrible issue...
>>
>> My understanding is that X11 is basically in maintenance mode ad
>> libitum, so as time passes it will lack new features that will get added
>> only to Wayland. Eventually people might find that using
>> Wine-with-Wayland, while having problems because Wayland is not perfect,
>> is still better than Wine-with-Xorg or Wine-with-XWayland, because the
>> latter do not support the features they like. So I think that having a
>> Wayland driver would be a good service to at least some users.
>>
>> On the other hand I don't think, as Zeb was suggesting, that if there is
>> a Wayland driver, then it should have higher priority than X11. It's
>> totally sensible to ship it, but require the user to set it as preferred
>> in winecfg or some other way if they want to use it. Users who believe
>> that direct Wayland's advantages outweigh its disadvantages will use it,
>> and the others will not.
> 
> As a general rule putting patch sets in wine-staging that aren't enabled 
> by default is pointless, inasmuch as wine-staging is only a testing 
> ground. If we're going to root out all the bugs, I'd like the patch set 
> to be enabled by default for all users, not just the ones that know 
> about it and want to use it.
> 
> That doesn't necessarily mean that the driver should be the default in 
> upstream wine, though.
> 
>>
>> My 2 cents, Giovanni.
>>
>>
> 

Doesn't wine-staging have a specific tab in winecfg for experimental 
options that aren't on by default? CSMT used to be one of those way back.