[Wine] Re: wine-users Digest, Vol 6, Issue 29

Charles Bruno cbruno at ferreiracosta.com.br
Wed Jan 18 09:19:59 CST 2006


Hi, firends!!
Sorry for my Big error in write a message in my language!
Thanks for your help Firend
By!!!

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>   1. Re:  Wine based "Windows desktop" (James E. LaBarre)
>   2. Re: Re: [Wine] Delphi Application (Ubirat? Silva)
>   3. Re:  Delphi Application (Joris Huizer)
>   4. Re:  Wine based "Windows desktop" (Hans Christian Studt)
>   5. Re:  Wine based "Windows desktop" (Hans Christian Studt)
>   6. Re:  Wine based "Windows desktop" (Joris Huizer)
>   7. RE:  Wine based "Windows desktop" (Richard Elswick)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:25:50 EST
> From: "James E. LaBarre" <jamesl at bestweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Wine] Wine based "Windows desktop"
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <43cd36ae.e8ed.0 at bestweb.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>>In case you really want an environment feeling just like the windows XP
>>desktop, you could either make a special window manager that responds as
>>much like that windows desktop as possible (that'd be loads of work) -- 
>>or just use one of the window managers for which there are themes to
>>make desktop similar to the XP one
>
>
> I've looked at this problem too, except I'm trying to duplicate a Windows
> 2000 desktop.  There's *plenty* of XP-like themes, but not much for Win2K.
> I'm planning ahead for when I can (finally) move my brother's system to
> Linux, and he's a picky user who hates it if I even re-arrange his icons,
> so I figure I'd want to make a desktop almost identical to what he has in
> 2K now.
>
> Ultimately, the most critical app is also the most impossible to find a
> native *or* Wine-compatible replacement for, namely an eBay offline 
> auction
> posting tool.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:21:06 -0200
> From: Ubirat? Silva <ubiratamuniz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: [Wine] Delphi Application
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <3497f3500601171121h7c9d6b4cg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> friends,
>
> I'm also from Brazil, but this is an international list and we should
> write only in English for a matter of respect to the other
> subscribers. If you need to send a reply in Portuguese, please send
> the reply directly to the receiver.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bira
>
> (traduzindo)
>
> amigos,
>
> também sou do Brasil, mas esta é uma lista internacional e deveríamos
> escrever apenas em inglês, por uma questão de respeito aos outros
> assinantes. Se precisam enviar respostas em Português, por favor a
> enviem diretamente ao destinatário.
>
> Abraços,
>
> Bira
>
> Em 01/01/06, Bruno<cbruno at ferreiracosta.com.br> escreveu:
>>
>>
>> ----------  Mensagem reenviada  ----------
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Wine] Delphi Application
>> Date: Dom 01 Jan 2006 14:32
>> From: Bruno <cbruno at ferreiracosta.com.br>
>> To: wine-users at winehq.org
>> Cc: truls at asheim.ne
>>
>> Olah Angelo Braga, tambem estou no Brasil, e meu ingles eh pessimo,
>> Acho que sei qual o problema com seus icones!
>>
>> Jah tive um problema parecido, e resolvi instalando fontes TrueType
>>  Originais, as que tem no c:\windows\fonts, e o problema foi resolvido.
>>
>> Um grande abraco, e boa sorte
>>
>> Se resolver, poste esta mensagem em ingles pros nossos amogos da lista 
>> tambem
>> usufruirem ok!
>>
>> Bye!
>>
>> Charles Bruno da Silva - Garanhuns - PE - Brazil
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:36:20 +0100
>> From: Truls Asheim <truls at asheim.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Wine] Delphi Application.
>> To: wine-users at winehq.org
>> Message-ID: <43CCE4C4.4060302 at asheim.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Angelo Braga wrote:
>> >Friends,
>> >
>> >Sorry my english, i'am speaking from brazil. I have a problem with an
>> >delphi application running on wine 0.93. The application open exactly,
>> >but the buttons not it appears correctly. I send the link of screenshot:
>> >
>> >http://200.195.11.195/~prolinx/screen01.jpg
>> >
>> >any help is coming well.
>> >
>> >Thanks!!!
>> >Angelo Braga
>> >
>>
>> Try using native comctl32
>> $ WINEDLLOVERRIDE="comctl32=n" wine <your app>
>>
>> Remember to copy native comctl32.dll and commctrl.dll files to <wine
>> fake c:>/windows/system32
>>
>> Regards
>> Truls Asheim
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:07:29 +0100
> From: Joris Huizer <jorishuizer at planet.nl>
> Subject: Re: [Wine] Delphi Application
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <43CD4E81.2070104 at planet.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Ubiratã Silva wrote:
>> friends,
>>
>> I'm also from Brazil, but this is an international list and we should
>> write only in English for a matter of respect to the other
>> subscribers. If you need to send a reply in Portuguese, please send
>> the reply directly to the receiver.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bira
>>
>> (traduzindo)
>>
>
> Also, you will probably get more feedback if you write in English
> regards,
>
> Joris
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:11:22 +0100
> From: Hans Christian Studt <hcstudt at post10.tele.dk>
> Subject: Re: [Wine] Wine based "Windows desktop"
> To: jamesl at bestweb.net,  wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <43CD4F6A.60002 at post10.tele.dk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> James E. LaBarre wrote:
>
>>>In case you really want an environment feeling just like the windows XP
>>>desktop, you could either make a special window manager that responds as
>>>much like that windows desktop as possible (that'd be loads of work) -- 
>>>or just use one of the window managers for which there are themes to
>>>make desktop similar to the XP one
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>I've looked at this problem too, except I'm trying to duplicate a Windows
>>2000 desktop.  There's *plenty* of XP-like themes, but not much for Win2K.
>>I'm planning ahead for when I can (finally) move my brother's system to
>>Linux, and he's a picky user who hates it if I even re-arrange his icons,
>>so I figure I'd want to make a desktop almost identical to what he has in
>>2K now.
>>
>>
>>
> I was not really concerned with the themes - that I beleave is just
> cream on the top to make it taske more like windows.
>
> My question is - do we have/need a wine-disktop within the existing
> KDE/GNOME-desktop ?
>
>>Ultimately, the most critical app is also the most impossible to find a
>>native *or* Wine-compatible replacement for, namely an eBay offline 
>>auction
>>posting tool.
>>
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>>
> -- 
> Mvh Hans Christian Studt
> Mobile +45 29 23 54 14
> hc[AT]studt[DOT]dk http://hc.studt.dk
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:19:47 +0100
> From: Hans Christian Studt <hcstudt at post10.tele.dk>
> Subject: Re: [Wine] Wine based "Windows desktop"
> To: thadden at web.de,  wine-users at winehq.org,  sslug-teknik at sslug.dk
> Message-ID: <43CD5163.6010607 at post10.tele.dk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Joachim von Thadden wrote:
>
>>Am Mo, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:48:53 +0100 schrieb Hans Christian Studt:
>>
>>
>>>I think this would allow more users to try out wine using the familar
>>>windows gui interface.
>>>
>>>Next step would be to install simple windows applications all within the
>>>familar windows environmet
>>>
>>I don't understand where this leads to:
>>
> I am just trying to find out what version 1.0 or 2.0 of wine is supposed
> to provide when it comes to end user facing functionallity.
>
>> If you want to use Windows just do it!
>>
> I believe wine is for people who need to use Windows application, so I
> am not sure what your point is.
>
>> If you buy a new car do you want to look it like your old one?
>>
>>
> Same as above.
>
>>No, you just want it to have pedals and a steering-wheel. The rest will
>>look different but will do the same as in your old one.
>>
> OK, the theming, style etc. can be KDE og GNOME or some other that are
> available under linux.
> If needed I will implement a menu structure like a windows START-menu.
>
>> And I am sure you don't want to use your old seats.
>>
> It is the old applications I want.
> Most users want application access not specific OS or API.
>
>>Make yourself familiar with the
>>new ones and have fun with them. It's not so hard.
>>
>>
>>
> Done that since Altos in the late 80's
>
>>Regards
>> Joachim von Thadden
>>
>>
> The following is a brain-dump of some of my thoughts.
>
> My sister have 1 daughter (7 years) and 2 boys (5 years) and for the
> past 3 years I have provided then with a dual boot system.
> During that time they have had great fun running both windows and linux
> games.
> They have no problem controlling the boot process, and often boot direct
> into linux even though windows boot are the default.
> It is funny to see them typing away while the linux boot proceeds.
> They play linux games like tuxracer, snakes, stones, tuxmath, tuxtype
> and a lot others I can not remember. I have even rebuild some of the
> games to make the levels easier since not all are in Danish.
>
> I Denmark there are some very popular and educatinal windows games
> called "Magnus og Myggen" that may soon be able to work with wine.
> A am sure there are other windows programs that they will need to use in
> the future.
> I am also pretty sure that they will not be able to install these
> windows programs with wine by them self any time soon.
>
> I do not think that it will require much deep wine programming to
> improve the process of installing windows games and other programs in
> wine and as wine aproaches 1.0 it may even be required.
> I would like to help out with that side of the wine project.
>
> It is from that corner of the world that I ask what are the current
> process of installing a program or application (let say game-setup.exe)
> with wine.
> Will it provide a KDE/GNOME-desktop icon and/or a menu group and item ?
>
> Would it make sense to have a wine-desktop inside the KDE/GNOME-desktop
> where the wine installation and action took place ?
>
> The thing is that I think that am too much a *nix guy, to be able to
> help out with implementing wine/windows API functionality.
>
> I hope some of this makes sense.
>
> Tschüss
>
> -- 
> Mvh Hans Christian Studt
> Mobile +45 29 23 54 14
> hc[AT]studt[DOT]dk http://hc.studt.dk
> Powered by Linux 2.6.14-1.1644_FC4
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:48:51 +0100
> From: Joris Huizer <jorishuizer at planet.nl>
> Subject: Re: [Wine] Wine based "Windows desktop"
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <43CD5833.4090201 at planet.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Hans Christian Studt wrote:
>
>>>
>>> In case you really want an environment feeling just like the windows
>>> XP desktop, you could either make a special window manager that
>>> responds as much like that windows desktop as possible (that'd be
>>> loads of work) -- or just use one of the window managers for which
>>> there are themes to make desktop similar to the XP one (for instance,
>>> KDE comes pretty close I thought, when configured to use windows-like
>>> looks and behaviours)
>>> It's up to the user to choose to use that window manager and/or theme,
>>> ofcourse
>>>
>> Is that what are needed if I want a wine-desktop within the
>> KDE/GNOME-desktop - like there is a QEMU-desktop or a rdesktop within he
>> KDE/GNOME-desktop.
>>
>
> Don't know -- was just saying that's a solution to fine-tune every
> single detail -- but if just using a -sort-of-like-windows desktop is
> okay than you choose a KDE/whatever theme to decorate windows to look
> like XP
>
> (I think KDE or GNOME can be configured to use a window manager other
> than the standard one -- but that'd boil down to the same as designing
> your own window manager)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:23:35 -0500
> From: "Richard Elswick" <relswick at cobasys.com>
> Subject: RE: [Wine] Wine based "Windows desktop"
> To: <wine-users at winehq.org>
> Message-ID:
> <2C7100720056A2408E0DC6795A5CDF0A9943A5 at COBS-EXCH-01.Texaco.Ovonic>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I am coming to the discussion late as I am new to this list, but are you 
> referring to something more along the line of a front end user interface 
> to Wine, similar to what Cedaga has done with WineX?
>
> Rich Elswick
> Test Engineer
> Cobasys LLC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wine-users-bounces at winehq.org [mailto:wine-users-bounces at winehq.org] 
> On Behalf Of Hans Christian Studt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:20 PM
> To: thadden at web.de; wine-users at winehq.org; sslug-teknik at sslug.dk
> Subject: Re: [Wine] Wine based "Windows desktop"
>
> Joachim von Thadden wrote:
>
>>Am Mo, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:48:53 +0100 schrieb Hans Christian Studt:
>>
>>
>>>I think this would allow more users to try out wine using the familar
>>>windows gui interface.
>>>
>>>Next step would be to install simple windows applications all within
>>>the familar windows environmet
>>>
>>I don't understand where this leads to:
>>
> I am just trying to find out what version 1.0 or 2.0 of wine is supposed 
> to provide when it comes to end user facing functionallity.
>
>> If you want to use Windows just do it!
>>
> I believe wine is for people who need to use Windows application, so I am 
> not sure what your point is.
>
>> If you buy a new car do you want to look it like your old one?
>>
>>
> Same as above.
>
>>No, you just want it to have pedals and a steering-wheel. The rest will
>>look different but will do the same as in your old one.
>>
> OK, the theming, style etc. can be KDE og GNOME or some other that are 
> available under linux.
> If needed I will implement a menu structure like a windows START-menu.
>
>> And I am sure you don't want to use your old seats.
>>
> It is the old applications I want.
> Most users want application access not specific OS or API.
>
>>Make yourself familiar with the
>>new ones and have fun with them. It's not so hard.
>>
>>
>>
> Done that since Altos in the late 80's
>
>>Regards
>> Joachim von Thadden
>>
>>
> The following is a brain-dump of some of my thoughts.
>
> My sister have 1 daughter (7 years) and 2 boys (5 years) and for the past 
> 3 years I have provided then with a dual boot system.
> During that time they have had great fun running both windows and linux 
> games.
> They have no problem controlling the boot process, and often boot direct 
> into linux even though windows boot are the default.
> It is funny to see them typing away while the linux boot proceeds.
> They play linux games like tuxracer, snakes, stones, tuxmath, tuxtype and 
> a lot others I can not remember. I have even rebuild some of the games to 
> make the levels easier since not all are in Danish.
>
> I Denmark there are some very popular and educatinal windows games called 
> "Magnus og Myggen" that may soon be able to work with wine.
> A am sure there are other windows programs that they will need to use in 
> the future.
> I am also pretty sure that they will not be able to install these windows 
> programs with wine by them self any time soon.
>
> I do not think that it will require much deep wine programming to improve 
> the process of installing windows games and other programs in wine and as 
> wine aproaches 1.0 it may even be required.
> I would like to help out with that side of the wine project.
>
> It is from that corner of the world that I ask what are the current 
> process of installing a program or application (let say game-setup.exe) 
> with wine.
> Will it provide a KDE/GNOME-desktop icon and/or a menu group and item ?
>
> Would it make sense to have a wine-desktop inside the KDE/GNOME-desktop 
> where the wine installation and action took place ?
>
> The thing is that I think that am too much a *nix guy, to be able to help 
> out with implementing wine/windows API functionality.
>
> I hope some of this makes sense.
>
> Tschüss
>
> --
> Mvh Hans Christian Studt
> Mobile +45 29 23 54 14
> hc[AT]studt[DOT]dk http://hc.studt.dk
> Powered by Linux 2.6.14-1.1644_FC4
>
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