[Wine] RFD: create new list and forum 'wine-newbies'

[David Shaw]

James Hawkins wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Dan Kegel <dank at kegel.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 8:57 PM, oiaohm <wineforum-user at winehq.org> wrote:
>>  > wine-newbies could be taken as insulting by some people.
>>
>>  Context is important.  I think we could phrase the group description
>>  well enough so nobody takes the name as an insult.  For instance:
>>
>>  wine-newbies: For people new to life without Windows, or those who
>>  want to help them.
>>  wine-users: For people who have already run an app or two successfully in Wine
>>
>>     
>
> Besides filing bug reports for apps that don't work, what types of
> messages would be in wine-users under this scheme?  Wine is relatively
> simple enough that, once you figure out how to run it, there's not
> much left to figure out for the average user.  If we do create this
> new mailing list, which I seriously hope we don't, you're going to
> find the traffic in wine-users drop to close to nil, and the ones that
> do post to wine-users will just be told to file a bug report.  The
> point is that wine-users always was the place for newbies to post, we
> just never had as many newbies as we're getting these days.  The
> problem is the frustration of those in the Wine community towards
> newbies; a wine-newbies ML is the wrong solution.
>   

I agree with this position.  Fragmenting the lists is a *very* bad idea 
- especially as it seems to be being proposed solely for the benefit of 
the minority who find newbies so objectionable.

David Shaw