[Wine] Re: Wine 1.3.26 no output from linux console to windows console

[C3PO]

oiaohm wrote:
> C3PO there are quite a few file managers for Linux.
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> But when I read Far it reminds me of the evil god of editors emacs own filemanager  Dired.
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Now thank you for the useful tip. I'll give emacs a try. It's not a console like FAR and the shortcuts are somewhat alien but as far as I can see it's concept is close to FAR. 


oiaohm wrote:
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> "Another way of thinking about far... imagine that all KDE AND linux terminal functions are integrated in a text manager, just two panels with files and buttons. It rather completes the terminal to the full scale text user interface to the host and remote system. "  Yep emacs Dired
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> emacs is a ide of super scary.  Not that I use it much.
> And its competitor http://vifm.sourceforge.net/.
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> Emacs can have its keymap and everything else customized.
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> Most times I have no need for an item like emacs. 
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Thanks!


oiaohm wrote:
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> C3PO FAR running in wine is not ideal.  Since wine will not handle permissions perfectly right.
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It does handle permission in the very same way as MC or any linux native applications you can set linux style file permissions. You just need a trick to make it work. 


oiaohm wrote:
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> midnight-commander is quite a reasonable all rounder.
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> Also something you missed about KDE filemanagers and most Linux filemangers.  Is kde  file-managers all of them contain a view option to display a terminal.  F4 in Dolphin opens up a terminal at your current location so you can type in any command line option your require performed.    So file-manager with 100 percent access to all terminal features is perfectly normal.
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Now how you're going place a file system of a foreign host in the right Dolphin's panel? You got to go and mount it and if you have about 20 hosts which you now have to edit you will spend most of your time to interface, moving the mouse,  instead of actually doing something. I strongly dislike GUI file managers because they spend so much of my time. Thanks for F4 tip, it's useful. Now imagine I want to see file permissions in the Dolphin Ctl+1 - no file permissions Ctl+2 - no file permissions. Do I have to right click on each file just to see what permissions it has? If I have about 100 files of which 20 have to be changed I would have to click though all of them or use command line. 

I want to open file and automatically see text in the encoding it's in, and edit it in this encoding and see highlight syntax. How? Again I got to do something special to make it work.

Now a trivial task - I want to open a selected Dolphin folder in another Dolphin forking from the parent Dolphin not using MOUSE? How? Aha, again I have to grab the mouse move it to the folder right click and the choose Open in New Window

Open F4 terminal how are you going to place the full path to the file from the directory tree above to the console to start a command with this as a parameter not using mouse? Again you have to do special staff. 

And so on, and so on and on. I have to do thousands of operations like these in a day so most of the time I will have to spend on mouse moving and clicking which is slow. It's really not worth using these tools because they take your life away from you wasting your time on interface glitches.
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oiaohm wrote:
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> fishshell exists for a reason when you learn the command line it can do a lot of things quicky.
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> Linux basically has many swiss knife tools.
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> Also for developers I normally go kdevelop since it integrates lots of support.   Basically you sound like you are treating FAR in the same way I treat my development IDEs under Linux.  Advantage the tools built for development have a lot of other nice wizards and code transformation features.
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> CVS is a mostly dead revision system.  You need to move up to svn or git or something else in that class.
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> C3PO items like kdevelop and emacs are not commonly found on Windows.  So people coming from windows are normally using filemanagers to hack over areas that are better sorted by proper working ides.


Well FAR at least is not worse than EMAC. And Kdevelop is no better than VS. The great advantage of FAR is the shortcuts, you can learn them while you use it, they're logical, some shortcuts of the managers I saw were developed like - these keys aren't used yet, let's use them for moving blocks. 

Thanks for the tips!