Austin English austinenglish at
Fri Mar 14 17:12:48 CDT 2008

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Maarten Lankhorst
<m.b.lankhorst at> wrote:
> Hi all,
>  2008/3/13, Scott Ritchie <scott at>:
> > Christopher Harvey wrote:
>  >  > I've had a few ideas that I thought of on my own, but now I'm starting
>  >  > to see they perhaps aren't as useful as the ideas thought of by current
>  >  > developers, but I'll float it out there one last time. I thought it
>  >  > would be cool to create a wine GUI overlay for games, exactly like
>  >  > nvPerfHUD. The thing about doing it in wine that makes it better than
>  >  > nvPerHUD is the fact the to use nvPerfHUD the apps have to give
>  >  > permission for nvPerHUD to run on them. A wine version would actually be
>  >  > able to force every single 3d app, opengl or directX to output nvPerfHUD
>  >  > like output. Anyway, just a thought. Would I be able to apply for both
>  >  > of these projects and pick one last minute?
>  >  > Thanks,
>  >  > Chris.
>  >  >
>  >
>  >
>  > After talking about the concept a bit at the Ubuntu Developer Summit, I
>  >  really don't like the idea of a "Wine GUI" just for running Wine
>  >  applications.  From the user's persepctive, installers for Wine
>  >  applications shouldn't be substantially different from any old Linux
>  >  installer - they just click on them, it adds something to their
>  >  applications menu, and from then on they can run it from there.
>  >
>  >  Most of the futzing with applications, like messing around with native
>  >  dlls in winecfg, shouldn't have to be done at all.  The same goes with
>  >  editing the registry.
>  >
>  >  Configuration we'll never be able to eliminate completely, like
>  >  selecting the windows version, should ultimately be done through an
>  >  intuitive place and not some central "Wine configuration" program.  For
>  >  instance, I should be able to right click a Windows application, select
>  >  properties, and then change the Windows version from there.
>  >
>  >  So, yes, I agree.  Winecfg is ugly and inadequate for the kind of
>  >  configuration our users are doing now.  But before we put too much
>  >  effort into sprucing up Winecfg, let's instead talk about how feasible
>  >  it is to make it unneeded in the first place.
>  I totally agree that a wine gui is not what we want. ui's are counter
>  productive.
>  I also found that I need winecfg less and less, I now run winecfg only
>  to set the windows version to vista. Maybe we should make this version
>  the default now? More and more applications don't want to run with
>  windows version set to 2000, and it should just work.
>  Cheers,
>  Maarten.

There was a discussion a while back about setting the default version
to XP. Vista may be a bad default, considering how badly it's been
running, I wouldn't be surprised if some apps start including their
own workarounds for Vista.

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