Re: po: German translation: …

[Florian Pelz]

Hi,

Thanks for the review.

On 09/04/2015 02:46 PM, Julian Rüger wrote:
>>  #: crypt32.rc:105
>>  msgid "Unsigned CMC Request"
>> -msgstr "Unsignierte CMC Antwort"
>> +msgstr "Unsignierte-CMC-Antwort"
> 
> First hyphen is wrong, that's an adjective and a noun.
> 

Of course. Should have noticed this. Actually, "Unsignierte CMC-Anfrage"
(instead of "Antwort") would probably be the right translation.

> 
>  #: crypt32.rc:110
>  msgid "PKCS 7 Signed"
> -msgstr "PKCS 7 signiert"
> +msgstr "PKCS-7-signiert"
> 
>  #: crypt32.rc:111
>  msgid "PKCS 7 Enveloped"
> -msgstr "PKCS 7 umhüllt"
> +msgstr "PKCS-7-umhüllt"
> 
> [... and similar]
> 
> These feel wrong. I'm not sure what would be correct, but I suspect
> "PKCS-7, signiert" or "[Umhülltes/Signiertes] PKCS-7" would be correct.
> (These are descriptions of file types to open, right?)
> 

I think "PKCS 7 Signed" means "signed using the public key cryptography
standard 7", so "PKCS-7-signiert" would be a good translation. These are
not file types but "display names" of "object identifiers". Apparently
they are used to provide information about parts of cryptographic
certificates.

>  #: crypt32.rc:150 cryptui.rc:134
>  msgid "Windows System Component Verification"
> -msgstr "Windows System Komponenten Verifizierung"
> +msgstr "Windows-System-Komponenten-Verifizierung"
> 
> [... and 2 similar]
> 
> "Windows-Systemkomponentenverifizierung" would be grammatically correct,
> I think. It's a freaking long word though...
> 

Yes, this looks better.

> 
> 
> #: crypt32.rc:160
>  msgid "IP security IKE intermediate"
> -msgstr "Dazwischenliegende IP Sicherheits-IKE"
> +msgstr "Dazwischenliegende IP-Sicherheits-IKE"
> 
> Something like "temporäre" or "Übergangs-..." would better reflect the
> meaning. Dazwischenliegend is just wrong. I remember not having anything
> better, so I left these alone. Ideas?
> 

I think "intermediate" really means "dazwischenliegend" (i.e. "in
between") here. I don't know about IPsec terminology, but the term
"intermediate" is frequently used for certificates that are not trusted
by themselves but signed by a trusted authority. It might be better to
use the English word though. I cannot find anyone using the German
"dazwischenliegend" on the Web.

> 
> #: winerror.mc:3536
>  msgid "Security package error.\n"
> -msgstr "Sicherheitspaket Fehler.\n"
> +msgstr "Sicherheitspaket-Fehler.\n"
> 
> "Sicherheitspakets-Fehler"? "Fehler im Sicherheitspaket"?
> 

This does not need an s just like "Paketzusteller" does not need an s.

> 
> #: winerror.mc:3701
>  msgid "Not all objects could be exported.\n"
> @@ -6844,9 +6844,9 @@ msgstr ""
>  "Protokollierung und Benutzeroberfläche für die oberen Befehle
> anpassen:\n"
>  "\t/l[*][i|w|e|a|r|u|c|m|o|p|v|][+|!] Protokolldatei\n"
>  "\t/q{|n|b|r|f|n+|b+|b-}\n"
> -"MSI Service registrieren:\n"
> +"MSI-Service registrieren:\n"
>  "\t/y\n"
> -"Registrierung des MSI Service aufheben:\n"
> +"Registrierung des MSI-Service aufheben:\n"
> 
> While we're at it, this should be "MSI-Dienst", imho.
> 

Yes.

> 
>  #: msvidc32.rc:29
>  msgid "Wine Video 1 video codec"
> -msgstr "Wine Video 1 Video Codec"
> +msgstr "Wine-Video-1-Video-Codec"
> 
> "Videocodec" seems to be a word
> (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videocodec ), but I would just say
> "Wine-Video-1-Codec". Still feels clumsy somehow...
> 

"Wine-Video-1-Videocodec" looks more readable, yes. I don't like
"Wine-Video-1-Codec" because it makes it harder to see that it is a
video codec.

> 
>  #: shdoclc.rc:28
>  msgid "Wine Internet Explorer"
> -msgstr "Wine Internet Explorer"
> +msgstr "Wine-Internet-Explorer"
> 
> While technically right, this looks "wrong" somehow. Stichwort:
> Eigenname?
> 

I don't think Wine Internet Explorer is supposed to be a proper name.
Internet Explorer is a proper name. This is the Wine-'Internet Explorer'
and because of Durchkopplung this becomes Wine-Internet-Explorer.

> -"$d    aktuelles Datum     $e    Escape              $g    > Zeichen\n"
> -"$l    < Zeichen           $n    aktuelles Laufwerk  $p    aktueller Pfad\n"
> +"$d    aktuelles Datum     $e    Escape              $g    Größerzeichen (>)\n"
> +"$l    Kleinerzeichen (<)  $n    aktuelles Laufwerk  $p    aktueller Pfad\n"
> 
> Nice one!
> 
> 
>  #: ipconfig.rc:49
>  msgid "Default gateway"
> -msgstr "Standard Gateway"
> +msgstr "Standard-Gateway"
> 
> "Standardgateway"?
> 

Maybe. Separating the English part of the word does not look bad though.
I don't think this needs changing.

> 
> #: net.rc:37
>  msgid "The %1 service is starting.\n"
> -msgstr "Der %1 Dienst startet.\n"
> +msgstr "Der Dienst %1 startet.\n"
> 
> Why go half-way? ;)
> "Der Dienst '%1' startet.\n"
> 

Maybe. It's longer though and less close to English. Then again, the
English does not look good either:

Z:\home\florian>net start PlugPlay
The Plug and Play Service service is starting.
Service already running.

Microsoft does not have this problem because their PlugPlay is called
"Plug and Play" instead of "Plug and Play Service".

>  #: taskmgr.rc:322
>  msgid "System Idle Process"
> -msgstr "Leerlauf Prozess"
> +msgstr "Leerlauf-Prozess"
> 
> "Leerlaufprozess" (I think it's OK to copy Windows here)
> 

Yes.

> 
>  #: winecfg.rc:143
>  msgid "Windows registration information"
> -msgstr "Windows Registrierungs-Informationen"
> +msgstr "Windows-Registrierungs-Informationen"
>  
> "Registrierungsinformationen"
>

Yes.

On 09/04/2015 02:48 PM, Julian Rüger wrote:
> Das wurde zwar, soweit ich weiss, mit der neuen Rechtschreibung
> geändert, aber einverstanden. Ist höflicher ;)
>

It didn't change. The 2006 rules say in 2.5 § 65 that "Das
Anredepronomen Sie und das entsprechende Possessivpronomen Ihr sowie die
zugehörigen flektierten Formen schreibt man groß." Yes, I looked it up
;) . IMO good writing style is more important anyway though.

On 09/04/2015 03:00 PM, Julian Rüger wrote:
>> #: oleview.rc:110
>>  msgid "Quit the application. Prompts to save changes"
>> -msgstr "Anwendung beenden. Frag ob Änderungen zu speichern sind"
>> +msgstr "Anwendung beenden. Fragt ob Änderungen zu speichern sind"
>
> "Fragt, ob ..." There should really be a full stop at the as well.
> Generally, you're right in not adding it when it's not there in the
> original, but I wonder why it was left out. Maybe we should add it to
> both.
>

Yes, I could not find anything about this comma being optional. I think
this type of error occurs frequently.

The period at the end should definitely be added to the English .rc
files for all programs. At least in regedit in Windows 98, XP and 8.1,
the status bars at the bottom all use a period at the end.

> #: wineconsole.rc:44
>  msgid "wineconsole: Couldn't parse event id\n"
> -msgstr "wineconsole: Ereignis-ID konnte nicht geparsed werden\n"
> +msgstr "wineconsole: Ereignis-ID konnte nicht geparset werden\n"
>
> I'm never sure what to do in these cases. Correct German grammar would
> be "geparst", but that looks just awful... My personal preference is
> the pretty, but grammatically wrong English ending.
> I guess my OCD has to live with the pain ;) Let's use the correct
> case.
> Agreed?
>

Apparently yes, "geparst". The English d is not how Germans pronounce
the word; we use a t and we use German grammar when speaking. According
to duden.de, the silent e I wanted to keep is lost, similar to "geleast".

In summary, I agree with changing "Unsignierte-CMC-Antwort",
"Windows-System-Komponenten-Verifizierung", "Dazwischenliegende
IP-Sicherheits-IKE", all occurrences of "MSI-Service",
"Wine-Video-1-Video-Codec", "Leerlauf-Prozess",
"Windows-Registrierungs-Informationen" and "geparset", though sometimes
not as you proposed. "Der Dienst %1 startet.\n" should be given these
apostrophe quotes in English first I think. The status bar messages
"Anwendung beenden. Fragt ob Änderungen zu speichern sind" all need a
period at the end in English and German. The missing comma after "Fragt"
should be fixed everywhere this type of error occurs. I'll try fixing up
some patches.

I disagree with changing "PKCS-7-signiert" and similar,
"Sicherheitspaket-Fehler.\n", "Wine-Internet-Explorer", "Standard-Gateway".

Best regards,
Florian