12 Mar
2012
12 Mar
'12
10:27 a.m.
Hi
Dne Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:02:49 +0200
Yaron Shahrabani <sh.yaron(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
The Wine project is thinking about using Weblate in
order to translate
Wine, you can look at the following discussion and see for yourself.
That sounds great!
Looking good although a litle immature, not sure about
authentication as
wel...
For authentication you can basically use anything what can be used in
Django. Any specific concerns on this topic?
I'll talk to Michal Cihar and ask him for a
roadmap for this project.
Well I don't have any real roadmap right now. I urgently needed
replacement for Pootle because we got hit by too many bugs there and
did not manage to understand the code there to be able to fix them
myself. So far I think it is in pretty good shape for day to day work
(with today's 0.5 release fixing few annoying bugs).
Of course there are some features missing, you can check what I plan
for 1.0 release here:
https://github.com/nijel/weblate/issues?state=open&milestone=1
I currently hope to have 1.0 in a month or so, but I really don't want
to commit to any specific date.
PS: I'm not subscribed to mailing list so please CC me on reply.
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
12 Mar
12 Mar
11:15 a.m.
New subject: Fwd: Web based translation tool
This is Michal's reply to our conversation.
Please keep him in CC for any further updates.
Michal, thank you so much for joining this conversation! ☺
Kind regards,
Yaron Shahrabani
<Hebrew translator>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Web based translation tool
To: Yaron Shahrabani <sh.yaron(a)gmail.com>om>, wine-devel(a)winehq.org
Hi
Dne Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:02:49 +0200
Yaron Shahrabani <sh.yaron(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
The Wine project is thinking about using Weblate in
order to translate
Wine, you can look at the following discussion and see for yourself.
That sounds great!
Looking good although a litle immature, not sure about
authentication as
wel...
For authentication you can basically use anything what can be used in
Django. Any specific concerns on this topic?
I'll talk to Michal Cihar and ask him for a
roadmap for this project.
Well I don't have any real roadmap right now. I urgently needed
replacement for Pootle because we got hit by too many bugs there and
did not manage to understand the code there to be able to fix them
myself. So far I think it is in pretty good shape for day to day work
(with today's 0.5 release fixing few annoying bugs).
Of course there are some features missing, you can check what I plan
for 1.0 release here:
https://github.com/nijel/weblate/issues?state=open&milestone=1
I currently hope to have 1.0 in a month or so, but I really don't want
to commit to any specific date.
PS: I'm not subscribed to mailing list so please CC me on reply.
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
15 Mar
15 Mar
9:41 a.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
Hey guys!
Sorry for being so pushy but please tell me who do I need to talk to in
order to push this forward.
I can't use my Linux machine during the week and I don't have time to
create patches, establishing a Web interface will help me improve and
maintain the Hebrew translation of Wine.
Thanks for your guidance,
Kind regards,
Yaron Shahrabani
<Hebrew translator>
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Yaron Shahrabani <sh.yaron(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
This is Michal's reply to our conversation.
Please keep him in CC for any further updates.
Michal, thank you so much for joining this conversation! ☺
Kind regards,
Yaron Shahrabani
<Hebrew translator>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Web based translation tool
To: Yaron Shahrabani <sh.yaron(a)gmail.com>om>, wine-devel(a)winehq.org
Hi
Dne Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:02:49 +0200
Yaron Shahrabani <sh.yaron(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
The Wine project is thinking about using Weblate
in order to translate
Wine, you can look at the following discussion and see for yourself.
That sounds great!
Looking good although a litle immature, not sure
about authentication as
wel...
For authentication you can basically use anything what can be used in
Django. Any specific concerns on this topic?
I'll talk to Michal Cihar and ask him for a
roadmap for this project.
Well I don't have any real roadmap right now. I urgently needed
replacement for Pootle because we got hit by too many bugs there and
did not manage to understand the code there to be able to fix them
myself. So far I think it is in pretty good shape for day to day work
(with today's 0.5 release fixing few annoying bugs).
Of course there are some features missing, you can check what I plan
for 1.0 release here:
https://github.com/nijel/weblate/issues?state=open&milestone=1
I currently hope to have 1.0 in a month or so, but I really don't want
to commit to any specific date.
PS: I'm not subscribed to mailing list so please CC me on reply.
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
3:12 p.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
Hi Yaron,
Thanks for continuing to push this forward. I have been a bit swamped
recently. The thing is that there are several projects who are all JUST
on the edge of being able to do what we need but none that are there yet.
I got an e-mail from a pootle developer saying that they are doing work
to do just this sort of thing for the Mozilla project however it is not
ready yet, the wikimedia foundation is in the same boat.
I do not know if Weblate will work or not.
Basically we have 3 big requirements that have been sticking points for
various solutions.
1) Real Names and e-mails for all contributors
2) Individual attribution for all translations. So we know exactly who
changed what string.
3) Generate incremental diffs/patches/change sets divided based on
translator.
Generally it is #2 that has been the hardest for projects to cope with.
-aric
6:29 p.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
Le 15 mars 2012 16:12, Aric Stewart <aric(a)codeweavers.com> a écrit :
Hi Yaron,
Thanks for continuing to push this forward. I have been a bit swamped
recently. The thing is that there are several projects who are all JUST on
the edge of being able to do what we need but none that are there yet.
I got an e-mail from a pootle developer saying that they are doing work to
do just this sort of thing for the Mozilla project however it is not ready
yet, the wikimedia foundation is in the same boat.
I do not know if Weblate will work or not.
Basically we have 3 big requirements that have been sticking points for
various solutions.
1) Real Names and e-mails for all contributors
2) Individual attribution for all translations. So we know exactly who
changed what string.
3) Generate incremental diffs/patches/change sets divided based on
translator.
Generally it is #2 that has been the hardest for projects to cope with.
-aric
Hi Aric,
I don't know weblate but as it is based on git (its home page says
'Tight git integration - every change is represented by Git commit') I
think #2 and #3 should be handled easily.
--
Nicolas Le Cam
16 Mar
16 Mar
7:13 a.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
Hi
Dne Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:12:14 -0500
Aric Stewart <aric(a)codeweavers.com> napsal(a):
Basically we have 3 big requirements that have been
sticking points for
various solutions.
1) Real Names and e-mails for all contributors
2) Individual attribution for all translations. So we know exactly who
changed what string.
Every change made in Weblate is directly commited to Git repository
with current translator as author, so if you count authorship of Git
commit as attribution you get it. This was actually my reason for
starting with Weblate and Git integration is thing which makes it
different from other available tools.
3) Generate incremental diffs/patches/change sets
divided based on
translator.
Weblate currently does not try to merge subsequent commits from same
author, so you get single commit for each change.
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
17 Mar
17 Mar
10:49 p.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
2012/3/16 Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com
If this is an issue, an intermediary repository can be set up to merge
translations and submit them. In fact, this can probably be done
automatically every 24 hours.
J. Leclanche
Hi
Dne Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:12:14 -0500
Aric Stewart <aric(a)codeweavers.com> napsal(a):
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
Basically we have 3 big requirements that have
been sticking points for
various solutions.
1) Real Names and e-mails for all contributors
2) Individual attribution for all translations. So we know exactly who
changed what string.
Every change made in Weblate is directly commited to Git repository
with current translator as author, so if you count authorship of Git
commit as attribution you get it. This was actually my reason for
starting with Weblate and Git integration is thing which makes it
different from other available tools.
3) Generate incremental diffs/patches/change sets
divided based on
translator.
Weblate currently does not try to merge subsequent commits from same
author, so you get single commit for each change.
--
19 Mar
19 Mar
9:52 a.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
Hi
Dne Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:49:31 +0000
Jerome Leclanche <adys.wh(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
2012/3/16 Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com>
For the projects where I use Weblate I don't consider this as an issue
as merging commits would probably cause more problems than it would
solve. With current approach, you simply merge weblate branch to master
and everything works nicely. With some sort of merging of commits
things get more complex.
For example for merging in intermediary repository you need to rebase
weblate's working repository and keep possible changes made meanwhile.
I'm not saying it can not be solved, but changing Git history (what
merging of commits actually is) can be tricky.
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
Weblate currently does not try to merge
subsequent commits from same
author, so you get single commit for each change.
If this is an issue, an intermediary repository can be set up to merge
translations and submit them. In fact, this can probably be done
automatically every 24 hours.
24 Mar
24 Mar
midnight
New subject: Web based translation tool
I can't tell if it's a good idea but having a seperate repository should
lead to some crucial changes, the only way it will be possible is this:
This repository will have only the translations with a POT/PO file from the
original project (will be updated every couple of hours).
This repository will include only the English source and all the
translations, once in a while (Every month or week) the changes will be
merged back as one commit, the problem is I'm not sure git will enable
that...
It's like having a seperate module outside Wine tree...
Kind regards,
Yaron Shahrabani
<Hebrew translator>
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com> wrote:
jects where I use Weblate I don't consider this as
an issue
as merging commits would probably cause more problems than it would
solve. With current approach, you simply merge weblate branch to master
and everything works nicely. With some sort of merging of commits
things get more complex.
For example for merging in intermediary repository you need to rebase
weblate's working repository and keep possible changes made meanwhile.
I'm not saying it can not be solved, but changing Git history (what
merging of commits actually is) can be tricky.
26 Mar
26 Mar
2:23 p.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
Hi
Dne Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:52:58 +0100
Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com> napsal(a):
For the projects where I use Weblate I don't
consider this as an issue
as merging commits would probably cause more problems than it would
solve. With current approach, you simply merge weblate branch to master
and everything works nicely. With some sort of merging of commits
things get more complex.
It turned out such feature seems to be important for more projects, so I
will end up implementing some way of merging of commits for 1.0.
Details can be found at https://github.com/nijel/weblate/issues/16
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
10 p.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 16:23, Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com> wrote:
I don't know how your tool/system exactly works, so my comment may be
a bit naive/wrong, but instead of merging commits, couldn't there be
instead (or as a complement) some kind of session/transaction system
where a user translates a number of msgids, then sort of "commits" its
changes to close the session/transaction, which would trigger the git
commit creation?
That would (help) limiting the # of git commits created IMO, at the
cost of some additional complexity
Frédéric
With some sort
of merging of commits
things get more complex.
It turned out such feature seems to be important for more projects, so I
will end up implementing some way of merging of commits for 1.0.
Details can be found at https://github.com/nijel/weblate/issues/16
27 Mar
27 Mar
9:56 a.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
Hi
Dne Tue, 27 Mar 2012 00:00:04 +0200
Frédéric Delanoy <frederic.delanoy(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 16:23, Michal Čihař
<michal(a)cihar.com> wrote:
You've basically described what I've outlined in issue referenced above
and implemented just now in Git, so yes I think this is better
approach than merging :-).
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
It turned out such feature seems to be important
for more projects, so I
will end up implementing some way of merging of commits for 1.0.
Details can be found at https://github.com/nijel/weblate/issues/16
I don't know how your tool/system exactly works, so my comment may be
a bit naive/wrong, but instead of merging commits, couldn't there be
instead (or as a complement) some kind of session/transaction system
where a user translates a number of msgids, then sort of "commits" its
changes to close the session/transaction, which would trigger the git
commit creation?
4 Apr
4 Apr
2:05 p.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
Hi
Dne Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:12:14 -0500
Aric Stewart <aric(a)codeweavers.com> napsal(a):
I do not know if Weblate will work or not.
Basically we have 3 big requirements that have been sticking points for
various solutions.
1) Real Names and e-mails for all contributors
2) Individual attribution for all translations. So we know exactly who
changed what string.
3) Generate incremental diffs/patches/change sets divided based on
translator.
Generally it is #2 that has been the hardest for projects to cope with.
I think Weblate now does all you request here. The software still has
some rough edges, but I want to polish them on way to 1.0 release in
upcoming weeks.
To help you with deciding, I've set up test installation with Wine
sources. For now I've only imported master branch:
http://wine.weblate.org/projects/wine/master/
Changes in Git repository are exported as:
git://git.weblate.org/wine-master.git
Please note that due to enabled lazy commits, the repository will not
get changes made in web interface until it is needed or explicitly
requested.
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
5 Apr
5 Apr
8:20 a.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com> wrote:
To help you with deciding, I've set up test
installation with Wine
sources. For now I've only imported master branch:
http://wine.weblate.org/projects/wine/master/
Hi Michal!
This is so wonderful! I'm glad you did that!
I can't register, can you please check why?
Kind regards,
Yaron Shahrabani.
9:02 a.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
Hi
Dne Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:20:12 +0300
Yaron Shahrabani <sh.yaron(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Michal Čihař
<michal(a)cihar.com> wrote:
Err, sorry. I somehow messed up email setup after testing out
registration. Should be fixed now.
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
To help you with deciding, I've set up test
installation with Wine
sources. For now I've only imported master branch:
http://wine.weblate.org/projects/wine/master/
Hi Michal!
This is so wonderful! I'm glad you did that!
I can't register, can you please check why? 
17 Jun
17 Jun
9:30 p.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
On 04.04.2012 16:05, Michal Čihař wrote:
Hi
Dne Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:12:14 -0500
Aric Stewart <aric(a)codeweavers.com> napsal(a):
Hi all,
meanwhile there's Weblate 1.5, it seems to have what we want.
Is there still a reason not to use it for Wine?
Otherwise, could someone on the codeweavers side please have look at integrating it?
I do not know if Weblate will work or not.
Basically we have 3 big requirements that have been sticking points for
various solutions.
1) Real Names and e-mails for all contributors
2) Individual attribution for all translations. So we know exactly who
changed what string.
3) Generate incremental diffs/patches/change sets divided based on
translator.
Generally it is #2 that has been the hardest for projects to cope with.
I think Weblate now does all you request here. The software still has
some rough edges, but I want to polish them on way to 1.0 release in
upcoming weeks.
18 Jun
18 Jun
12:11 a.m.
New subject: Web based translation tool
Hi,
I just wanted to say that I have not totally abandoned this. A few months ago I again
contacted my contacts at the various web translations sites and go no new good news. Still
nothing gave us everything we needed.
I have been super busy with other work (hence the smaller number of patches as well) so I
have not had time to really dig into weblate. I have it bookmarked and want to dig. Very
first pass seemed to have very little information about what is required and how to set it
up.
I have some more time this week so I will give it a much more serious look and try to see
what I can find out.
-aric
On 6/17/13 4:30 PM, André Hentschel wrote:
On 04.04.2012 16:05, Michal Čihař wrote:
Hi
Dne Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:12:14 -0500
Aric Stewart <aric(a)codeweavers.com> napsal(a):
Hi all,
meanwhile there's Weblate 1.5, it seems to have what we want.
Is there still a reason not to use it for Wine?
Otherwise, could someone on the codeweavers side please have look at integrating it?
I do not know if Weblate will work or not.
Basically we have 3 big requirements that have been sticking points for
various solutions.
1) Real Names and e-mails for all contributors
2) Individual attribution for all translations. So we know exactly who
changed what string.
3) Generate incremental diffs/patches/change sets divided based on
translator.
Generally it is #2 that has been the hardest for projects to cope with.
I think Weblate now does all you request here. The software still has
some rough edges, but I want to polish them on way to 1.0 release in
upcoming weeks.
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