31 Jan
2003
31 Jan
'03
3:56 a.m.
On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:44 am, Ove Kaaven wrote:
This one is sure to give Greg something to work
with...
looks very interesting, indeed.
all of this was
implemented in a bit of a hurry, but since it's based on my research, it
should be a good starting point in understanding how Microsoft's NDR
engine works. It doesn't properly implement marshalling alignment or
memory sizing, may not handle a number of fringe cases, does not conform
to the DCE RPC wire protocol (mostly because I don't have a description of
it... where did you find it, Greg?), and probably needs some cleanup, but
I think, I had to sign away my firstborn to OpenGroup for it. If you feel
like spending money /and/ signing away your firstborn, this looks like the
definitive OpenGroup DCE package:
http://www.opengroup.org/products/publications/catalog/t151x.htm
and here is some free-as-in-beer RPC 1.1 stuff:
http://www.opengroup.org/products/publications/catalog/c706.htm
Where, exactly, I got what I have is a bit of a mystery to me :( It looks
like it started its journey as postscript so perhaps it's part of the DCERPC
source tarball? My old box is booted into the Operation Flashpoint Operating
System... er... Windows, I mean... so I can't dig it out from my ext3
partition right now.
In your previous patch you mentioned the possibility of a merge situation
between us. Indeed, this is probably the case, but it's minor. I've been
real busy lately with work, and other non-wine things, so I haven't been
forging ahead at my usual clip. There's not a whole lot floating around in
my tree that hasn't gone out to wine-patches ATM.
-gmt
31 Jan
31 Jan
8:22 a.m.
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On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Greg Turner wrote:
On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:44 am, Ove Kaaven
wrote:
I can't find any legalese there to the effect of signing away my
firstborn, they seem to just want purchase details. Care to elaborate?
(And is it still okay for me to code on Wine even if my firstborn can't?)
This one is sure to give Greg something to work
with...
looks very interesting, indeed.
all of this was
implemented in a bit of a hurry, but since it's based on my research, it
should be a good starting point in understanding how Microsoft's NDR
engine works. It doesn't properly implement marshalling alignment or
memory sizing, may not handle a number of fringe cases, does not conform
to the DCE RPC wire protocol (mostly because I don't have a description of
it... where did you find it, Greg?), and probably needs some cleanup, but
I think, I had to sign away my firstborn to OpenGroup for it. If you feel
like spending money /and/ signing away your firstborn, this looks like the
definitive OpenGroup DCE package:
http://www.opengroup.org/products/publications/catalog/t151x.htm and here is some free-as-in-beer RPC 1.1 stuff:
http://www.opengroup.org/products/publications/catalog/c706.htm
And on there, they just want to borg the email addresses of every reader,
but not their souls or firstborns, as far as I can see.
In your previous patch you mentioned the possibility
of a merge situation
between us. Indeed, this is probably the case, but it's minor. I've been
real busy lately with work, and other non-wine things, so I haven't been
forging ahead at my usual clip. There's not a whole lot floating around in
my tree that hasn't gone out to wine-patches ATM.
OK.
4:37 p.m.
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On Friday 31 January 2003 02:22 am, Ove Kaaven wrote:
I can't find any legalese there to the effect of signing away my
firstborn, they seem to just want purchase details. Care to elaborate?
(And is it still okay for me to code on Wine even if my firstborn can't?)
hehe, you are correct, they are more like, say, the Borland Community site
than Rumplestiltskin.
Of course, I was kidding about signing away your firstborn, although you do at
least sign away any redistribution rights by downloading the free stuff.
AFAIK OpenGroup/DCE controls the RPC spec -- expecting consumers to sign an
NDA or something would kind of defeat their stated purpose of enhancing
interoperability.
There is one really significant open question left by their documentation:
what is the gap between "MSRPC" and DCE RPC? I still can't decide whether
this difference is just an API-level difference, or a full-blown
wire-protocol incompatibility.... Luckily, we probably don't care too much
-- ultimately, if we can make something that interoperates with Windows, we
win, regardless of how well MS complied with the spec.
The other thing I can't stand about their spec is the rediculous protocol
state diagram style they use. Could they have /possibly/ made it more
confusing and obscure? (Surely, the answer is yes, but it's pretty darn
confusing).
But, it helps. I shouldn't complain, considering what I paid for it.
Combined with the pseudo-documentation of the format strings from MSDN, the
Microsoft headers and MIDL output, the DCERPC source, tcpdump, etc., there's
enough comprehensible clues out there to actually accomplish something -- it
still feels pretty sparse to me, but I guess there's nothing I can do about
that but forge ahead (or maybe shell out for the DCE package :) )
--gmt
and here is some free-as-in-beer RPC 1.1 stuff:
http://www.opengroup.org/products/publications/catalog/c706.htm
And on there, they just want to borg the email addresses of every reader,
but not their souls or firstborns, as far as I can see. 
3:57 p.m.
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On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Gregory M. Turner wrote:
still feels pretty sparse to me, but I guess
there's nothing I can do about
that but forge ahead (or maybe shell out for the DCE package :) )
The DCE package is like $400USD. Not that bad. Maybe we can put some money
togther (what about the Party Fund, that would be a good use of that money),
and buy the DCE docs for the Wine project.
I contribute $40USD, if other contribute to make the 400.
--
Dimi.
1 Feb
1 Feb
6:31 a.m.
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Dimitrie O. Paun wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Gregory M. Turner wrote:
I will contribute $50.00 I was going to put $50.00 into the fund anyway.
And this seems to be a good time to do it .
Tom
still feels pretty sparse to me, but I guess
there's nothing I can do about
that but forge ahead (or maybe shell out for the DCE package :) )
The DCE package is like $400USD. Not that bad. Maybe we can put some money
togther (what about the Party Fund, that would be a good use of that money),
and buy the DCE docs for the Wine project.
I contribute $40USD, if other contribute to make the 400.
2 Feb
2 Feb
9:46 p.m.
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On Saturday 01 February 2003 12:31 am, Tom Wickline wrote:
Dimitrie O. Paun wrote:
I'll put my $50 in virtual escrow with the rest. Anyone keeping track of
this?
--gmt
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Gregory M. Turner wrote:
I will contribute $50.00 I was going to put $50.00 into the fund anyway.
And this seems to be a good time to do it .
Tom still feels pretty sparse to me, but I guess
there's nothing I can do
about that but forge ahead (or maybe shell out for the DCE package :) )
The DCE package is like $400USD. Not that bad. Maybe we can put some
money togther (what about the Party Fund, that would be a good use of
that money), and buy the DCE docs for the Wine project.
I contribute $40USD, if other contribute to make the 400. 
11:30 p.m.
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On February 2, 2003 04:46 pm, Gregory M. Turner wrote:
I'll put my $50 in virtual escrow with the rest.
Anyone keeping track of
this?
Yes, I am. I've up'ed my contribution to the now standard 50USD, and we
have a total of $200USD. I keep track of them on my main Wine page at:
http://www.dssd.ca/wine/
Nick did not say how much he's willing to contribute, but we're past
the 50% mark toward our goal, which is good. Come on guys, the easiest
way to contribute is to give money, and we have real low expectations
here: only $400USD to buy some documentation. Greg & Ove are doing the
work, it's unfair to expect them to pay everything as well...
--
Dimi.
11:52 p.m.
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How to donate ?
Yes, I am. I've up'ed my contribution to the
now standard 50USD, and
we
have a total of $200USD. I keep track of them on my main Wine page
at:
http://www.dssd.ca/wine/
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3 Feb
3 Feb
midnight
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On February 2, 2003 06:52 pm, Sylvain Petreolle wrote:
How to donate ?
The question is how much, not how? :)
If you are in Europe, it's a bit difficult, but we'll think of
something. For now, please let me know how much you're willing
to donate.
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12:07 a.m.
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--- "Dimitrie O. Paun" <dpaun(a)rogers.com> a écrit : > On February 2,
2003 06:52 pm, Sylvain Petreolle wrote:
The answer to 'how much' will be $50
USD if the question 'how' gives a
good answer :)
How to donate
?
The question is how much, not how? :)
If you are in Europe, it's a bit difficult, but we'll think of
something. For now, please let me know how much you're willing
to donate.
Why would it be difficult ?
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3:40 a.m.
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fwiw,
I'm filing papers (on a personal basis ) in Minnesota to do business
as 'The Wine Project', and I've opened a personal account with
the name 'The Wine Project', and I'm a few days away from having
a Paypal button all ready to go to accept donations.
You can thank Tom for this; he's the one that harangued me into
it <grin>.
I think I've mostly held up in the past because we didn't
have anything to spend money on. However, Tom has pointed out
that we can use the money to fund travel for a Wineconf 2003,
and this also sounds like a worthy cause.
Jer
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:30, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote:
On February 2, 2003 04:46 pm, Gregory M. Turner
wrote:
I'll put my $50 in virtual escrow with the
rest. Anyone keeping track of
this?
Yes, I am. I've up'ed my contribution to the now standard 50USD, and we
have a total of $200USD. I keep track of them on my main Wine page at:
http://www.dssd.ca/wine/
Nick did not say how much he's willing to contribute, but we're past
the 50% mark toward our goal, which is good. Come on guys, the easiest
way to contribute is to give money, and we have real low expectations
here: only $400USD to buy some documentation. Greg & Ove are doing the
work, it's unfair to expect them to pay everything as well...
--
Dimi.
6:58 a.m.
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Jeremy White wrote:
I'm filing papers (on a personal basis ) in
Minnesota to do business
as 'The Wine Project', and I've opened a personal account with
the name 'The Wine Project', and I'm a few days away from having
a Paypal button all ready to go to accept donations.
You can thank Tom for this; he's the one that harangued me into
it <grin>.
I think I've mostly held up in the past because we didn't
have anything to spend money on. However, Tom has pointed out
that we can use the money to fund travel for a Wineconf 2003,
and this also sounds like a worthy cause.
I'm good for $50 if you still need any for the standards doc.
BTW, you might consider applying for a grant from The Linux Fund.
I have their credit card, and every time I buy groceries,
TLF gets a little cut. http://linuxfund.org
The Tux on the credit card gets comments fairly often,
mostly "Cute!".
- Dan
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8:56 a.m.
New subject: RPC marshalling patch -- Future wine conference fund
Jeremy White wrote:
fwiw,
I'm filing papers (on a personal basis ) in Minnesota to do business
as 'The Wine Project', and I've opened a personal account with
the name 'The Wine Project', and I'm a few days away from having
a Paypal button all ready to go to accept donations.
:)
You can thank Tom for this; he's the one that harangued me into
it <grin>.
And who said being a *pest* never pay's off ;)
I think I've mostly held up in the past because we didn't
have anything to spend money on. However, Tom has pointed out
that we can use the money to fund travel for a Wineconf 2003,
Yes! Now to be seriouse.. I think a yearly Wineconf is very important
because it brings everyone together for a couple days and the developers
of Wine can *discuss* future technology's. If you look over the last
six months
you will see that Wine has progressed at a very nice clip. I feel on a
personal
basis this is in part do to Winconf 2002.
I don't know how the rest of you feel about this .. But I would like
to change the
name of the "Wine party fund" to the "Wine conference fund" the money
in
this
fund would go toward travel/accomodations for developers. As there are
at this time
developers who are not employed by companies that use wine in
commercial applications.
Dimi would be a good example here !!! This guy puts many hours of his
life into *Wine*
And as he has pointed out here on *THIS* list not for a single
dime..............
why not pay him back a little by using some of this money on his travel
or accomodations ?
And this is only one example and im sure there are *many* others as well !!!
I should note that I was not present at Wineconf 2002 but I will be at
2003 at my expence
and I will not ask or take any money from the wine (( conference)) fund.
So I would like to propose a vote to change the "party fund" to
"conference fund".
Any objections ? If not I will be more than happy to send the patch :)
and this also sounds like a worthy cause.
We could also spend *some* of the money on docs if it comes down to
it..... And im glad that none of the current "party"
fund money had to go out on this as we stepped up to the cause and
donated out of pocket for this.....
I will still give $50.00 more to the < ?? > = (( conference)) fund
beside to this *DOC* fund anyone care to match me ?
Feedback, comments, flames more than welcome. lets hear them....... As
Tony once told me " why be shy"
Tom
Jer
1:12 p.m.
New subject: RPC marshalling patch -- Future wine conference fund
On February 3, 2003 03:56 am, Tom Wickline wrote:
So I would like to propose a vote to change the
"party fund" to
"conference fund".
It's an interesting suggestion, but I'd vote for taking any name
out of the fund. We need to be able to collect funds, and have some
discretion on how to use them. Maybe just a Wine support fund?
This brings the question on who decides how to use the money, but
we can find a way.
As for rasing money for a conference, this is a worthy goal, but I'm
afraid we don't have enough people to raise significant cash. I do
appreciate you're suggesting that I be a possible beneficiary, but I'd
like to say I can support myself, others may be in greater need.
Just a fund will do (what about "The Wine Fund"?), the problem is not
the name, it's the cash! :)
--
Dimi.
5:44 p.m.
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Just a fund will do (what about "The Wine
Fund"?), the problem is not
the name, it's the cash! :)
All the cash in the world does no go if there is no party <g>
Wineconf seemed to help get alot of people thinking on the same lines when we could hammer
it out
face 2 face. If we were going to do another WineConf we would need to plan way in advance
so
slackers like me could afford to save up. Maybe something planned 9 months or so in
advance with
the Wine * fund helping those who cant afford to go?
My 10cents(inflation)
Steven
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31 Jan
5:44 p.m.
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and here is some free-as-in-beer RPC 1.1 stuff:
http://www.opengroup.org/products/publications/catalog/c706.htm
And on there, they just want to borg the email addresses of every reader,
but not their souls or firstborns, as far as I can see.
7:38 p.m.
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notice that the most common anonftp passwords are mozillauser@,
IE4USER@
and joe@. what a useful log :)
In any case they wanted a log of who was downloading
stuff, but they
said at the time that the email addresses wouldn't be used for other
purposes. I've certainly never received junk mail from them.
I suspect the log (like the ones from anon ftp passwords) is of
little use to anyone.
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