Hi,
While running your changed tests on Windows, I think I found new failures.
Being a bot and all I'm not very good at pattern recognition, so I might be
wrong, but could you please double-check?
Full results can be found at
http://testbot.winehq.org/JobDetails.pl?Key=10285
Your paranoid android.
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I am in the process of reviewing Wine's resource files and more
specifically the menus of its applications, and even more specifically
the Help menu for now.
Currently they are a bit inconsistent and I propose to standardise them
by following the GNOME interface guidelines. That is use the following
structure:
Help
Contents F1
About
So here is the data I gathered on this eminently critical issue ;-)
Windows User Experience Interaction Guidelines
----------------------------------------------
* The section about standard menus say we should use:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa511502.aspx
Help
<program name> help F1
<separator>
About <program name>
* All applications seem to conform to the specification for the
'About' menu (except Sound Recorder which uses 'About' and Disk
Management which incorrectly adds an ellipsis).
* But for the 'Help' menu there is a lot of inconsistency. In Windows 7
I got:
'View Help': Notepad, Solitaire, Mine Sweeper, Calculator, FreeCell,
Internet Backgammon, Spider Solitaire
'<program name> Help': Internet Explorer 8
'<program name> Help Topics': Task Manager
'Help Topics': Regedit, Task Scheduler, Disk Management
'Help': Sound Recorder
'Contents': msinfo32
'None' (replaced by a toolbar icon): Explorer, Paint, XPS Viewer,
Windows Media Player, Backup and Restore, Sync Center
* From the point above I conclude that following the Microsoft
Guidelines will not particularly help consistency with other Windows
applications, nor help meet the users expectations.
* Putting the program name in the menu name means we will have as many
strings to translate as there are programs. This is more work for
translators and can yield inconsistencies from one program to the
next.
* Putting the program name in the menu name also feels redundant to me.
Does one really expect Regedit to give you the help for Notepad?
Similarly one would expect an 'About' menu to be about the current
program, although in Wine's case it's more a generic About dialog.
Unix Interface Guidelines
-------------------------
* The GNOME Human Interface Guidelines specify:
http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/2.32/hig-book.html#menu-standard-he…
Help
Contents F1
About
* This allows sharing of the translations across programs.
* It would make Wine's applications consistent with the system ones...
as long as one uses Gnome.
* Because unfortunately this is a case where the KDE User Interface
Guidelines differ:
http://developer.kde.org/documentation/standards/kde/style/menus/help.html
Help
<program name> Handbook... F1
What's This? Shift+F1
<separator>
About <program name>...
About KDE...
* Using ellipses as specified for these menus makes absolutely no sense
and is inconsistent with their own guidelines regarding them.
Fortunately this seems to be a bug in the specification and the
applications don't uses ellipses (feel free to report this bug).
* Both GNOME and KDE applications follow their guidelines pretty well.
(except Gnome's Network Tools app which uses 'Help Ctrl+H' instead of
'Contents F1', maybe another bug to report)
* However other applications, specifically FireFox and OpenOffice seem
to follow the Windows guidelines. VMware Workstation follows them
for the About menu, but follows GNOME's guidelines for the 'Contents'
help menu.
* So given that we cannot be consistent with all Unix applications I
propose to pick the scheme that requires the less work for us, which
is GNOME's scheme.
--
Francois Gouget <fgouget(a)free.fr> http://fgouget.free.fr/
Stolen from an Internet user:
"f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng !"
Hi,
I have no idea to what extent and how Mozilla's Gecko library is being used in Wine (all I know is that it's used in Wine's MSHTML component), but recently a Mozilla developer made a very unsettling announcement: groups dot google dot com/d/topic/mozilla.dev.embedding/c_NMcO-N8wo/discussion
I wonder if this announcement has any adverse effects on Wine's future.
Best wishes,
Artem
Hi,
While running your changed tests on Windows, I think I found new failures.
Being a bot and all I'm not very good at pattern recognition, so I might be
wrong, but could you please double-check?
Full results can be found at
http://testbot.winehq.org/JobDetails.pl?Key=10257
Your paranoid android.
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